"Character" is something the Jets have been lacking in a Very long time, as in having a Ravens like Bad-Ass character. Besides, our ahem' "Nice Image" hasnt won me a SB in 38 years as a fan. If we can get Cutler, we grab him, if not then let the two kids brawl-it-out to see who starts. Knowing Magini, Clemmens probabaly will be with the Browns after he becomes a FA.
What if he has a mediocre year and your crystal ball turned out to be a little bit foggy. He signs this mighty contract and has a mediocre year, theres gonna be no sympathy for him in new york. What's he going to do, throw another fit? Given the right offer, absolutely, take cutler! You think the jets are the only team that needs a quarterback right now? You think the jets are going to muster up the best offer for cutler??? If we outbid all the other teams who need a quarterback right now that means we probably gave too much for him.
McDaniels said today that he wants Cutler to stay. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11978718 Josh McDaniels: We're working through that. Jay and I will have an opportunity to talk more as we go here. I know it's been a very public issue and this is something that I think happens more than people realize. We have a relationship, nobody knows where it stands right now, but it's going to get better. It will continue to get better, I believe that. I think it's something that both parties have to work toward a solid resolution. We have a good nucleus of players there that are looking forward to seeing him back at the facility and working with him. It will get to that point at some point in the near future. Hanson: Do you see him as the quarterback of the Denver Broncos? McDaniels: Yes. He's our quarterback. Hanson: Present-tense... McDaniels: He's our quarterback. Period.
here we go with the "what ifs".....unbelievable. The difference between our current QB roster and Cutler is that Cutler is a proven commodity....he's demonstrated that he has the tools to play the QB position at a high level....top 10 in the league, I would say. There's really no argument to what he brings to the table. You're more worried about menial stuff....like how he takes his shits in the morning.... This reminds me of the Chad Pennington debates......all his fans didn't give a shit that he couldn't make all the throws, or chucked 4 quarter INT's like they were going out of style or couldn't find a way to solve the elite defenses of the league....it was allllll OK....because he was a great person and hell of a leader. Well guess what....I want the "wins" that come ALONG with the leadership. I believe Cutler gives us that chance....and the Jets should do what they can to make it a reality. I'm tired of losing......moral victories are for f*cking pansies.....I want to win now.
Do we really need Jay Cutler? Rex Ryan wants a smash mouth type offense and it doesnt take a pro bowl quarterback to hand the ball off. As long as the qb is making smart decisions the offense will be fine. With this defense Rex is building our offense may only need 14-21 points to win a game and you wouldn't have to give up a ton of picks for Cutler. Clemens and Ratliff already know the offense so why not give either guy a chance.
We've been playing the "character" card for years now and it hasn't done shit for us. Yeah, Cutlers a punk - so what? The kid's a baller.
Yeah, I mentioned that earlier, but nobody seems to be talking about it. I'm sure it's posturing, but it generally has an effect on the asking price. To address the guy who is shocked that anyone would take Cutler over Leon...I love Leon Washington. He's my favorite player on the team right now. He's my current authentic jersey. I like Kellen Clemens, and feel he could possibly benefit from a shot with our current team and a full TC as the starter. And if all it takes is our #1 and Leon Washington and I'm Tanny? I'm pulling the trigger. Easily. I'll even throw in our 3rd and you can toss me Ryan Torain and Peyton Hillis. Apparently they're on the trading block. I don't think that deal works for the Broncos, but it's a scenario in which I'd absolutely take Cutler over Leon. I just don't want to overpay.
You are correct. Forget Cutler. Any dumb QB can hand off the ball all day. The Jets are so good they'll probably never have to pass, they can just run on teams all day. Up and down the field. Needing to score against another team through the air is insignificant. So yeah, I'm with you. Besides, with an improved offensive line Clemens will be an Pro Bowl player without ever having to throw. And if he gets hurt, Ratliff can come in and just hand the ball off. Heck, you're on to something here, the Jets should win a least a game or two with this approach.
The Case Against Cutler (w/ valid points!) I know there's a similar thread floating around here, but the points I will be making in this thread are different. I will not use the "Jay Cutler is a primadona" excuse as a crutch throughout this thread. I will make clear points that make sense within the context of the Jets' future plans. The Case Against Cutler: Reason 1: Cutler does not fit Rex Ryan's offense Rex Ryan is our head coach and he has committed to using a run-first, smash-mouth offense. We can only assume that this offense will be similar to the offense he ran in Baltimore. So let's examine the Raven's quarterback. Rookie Joe Flacco played extremely well as a rookie as he led his team to the AFC championship. Even though he was a rookie, Flacco was effective. Why was this? Because he was asked to make a minimal amount of reads and to make fewer throws than an average quarterback. Comparing Flacco and Cutler: Flacco threw an average of 26.47 attempts per game last season Cutler threw an average of 38.5 attempts per game last season Now consider that Flacco's six losses came when he threw the ball 30, 28, 33, 38, 27, and 31 times. The Ravens offense was effective when they could effectively run the football, and when Flacco was asked to make fewer passes. Flacco directed the Raven offense. He made quick reads and called audibles when appropriate. Cutler is a gunslinger. Cutler was asked to make many reads in Denver, and he improvised during many passing plays. This is evident when you consider how often Cutler rolled out of the pocket and made a pass on the run. Cutler averaged 12 attempts per game more than Flacco. As you can see, if we bring Cutler into the Jet's offense, he will be handcuffed. His improvisation skills will be wasted. His effectiveness will be wasted. What makes Cutler, Cutler, will be wasted. A Brett Ratliff, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez, or a Josh Freeman can step in and perform similarly to Cutler within the new Jets offense. Conclusion: Cutler is a good quarterback, but his effectiveness will be limited within the Jets offense. Reason 2: Cutler's supporting cast in Denver far surpasses what the Jet's have The Denver offensive line is elite. Peyton Hills, a no-name fullback, averaged 5 yards per carry behind this line. The rookie Ryan Clady came in and was outstanding last year. As good as their run blocking was last year, the Broncos pass blocking was just as effective. Cutler was given plenty of time to throw the ball last season, and he had an excellent running game that allowed the play action pass to be effective. The Jets offensive line was good last season, but it was not elite. Thomas Jones led the AFC in rushing last season with a 4.5 average yards per carry. The running game was good, but not as effective as you'd think it'd be. Jones had many huge runs last season which inflated his stats. And towards the end of the season, Jones could not get 4 yards when you needed him to. The pass blocking was also good but inconsistent. Brett Favre was hit many times behind the offensive line (which led to his injury), and was forced to run around behind the pocket a few too many times. Now that brings us to receivers: The Broncos have one of the best wide receiver duos in the NFL. Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal were both quite possibly better than any receiver on the Jets. Now throw in Brandon Stokley (former Colt), Jabar Gaffney, and Daniel Graham. The Jets' wide receivers and tight ends cannot match the talent of the Bronco's cast. This is evident. There were many instances last year where our wide receivers could not get open, and this killed our passing game. Cutler is a good quarterback, but he had a lot of talent around him. On the Jets, especially now that Coles is gone, Cutler will be less effective because the Jets have less offensive talent. Conclusion: Cutler had an amazing supporting cast surrounding him in Denver which allowed him to be effective. The Jets have less talent on offense. Thus, Cutler will not be as effective on the Jets as he was on the Broncos Reason 3: The compensation used to acquire Cutler will cripple this team What will it cost the Jets to acquire Cutler: A 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder? Two 1st rounders? A 1st rounder and Revis? Even with the questionable pick of Gholston, the Jets have drafted well since Tannenbaum became GM. The 17th overall pick is a very valuable pick because you can draft great talent while paying an affordable salary to the player. We've seen the Patriots, Colts, Giants, and Steelers draft after the 20th overall pick in every draft, and consistently bring in excellent talent while paying little for the newly acquired talent. A low first round pick provides tremendous value for a team with a good scouting department (I believe the Jets have a great scouting department) If we trade for Cutler, not only will we most likely lose one or two valuable picks, but we will also have to pay Cutler an enormous salary once he resigns. This will hurt our salary cap situation, which will result in less free agent talent. For these reasons, I find that trading for Cutler will not further develop our football team. Instead, I find that he will be counterproductive to what we are trying to achieve as a team. And God forbid what would happen if Cutler has to deal with the NY media, and the impatient Jets fan base.
Okay, it's right at the top. It's a thread for all Cutler posts (it even says so in the title) so there aren't another 10. The fact that you know "there's a similar thread floating around here", makes this even more of a problem. Try to abide by forum rules.
No. All three of your points have been made in other threads, which are now currently ONE thread. I appreciate you put some time into writing this, but I'm just going to go ahead and warn everybody that it's a slightly more elaborate expression of three reasons we've all read before.
Who cares if all of this stuff has been written before... at least it's not a one sentence thread. Amen to everything you said... especially the third point! Just say no to Cutler...
I have a lot of comments to this but I'm going to start another thread to post them. My response is worthy of it's own thread and needs attention.
Did the Bronco's really need John Elway when everyone knows they won those SB by handing the ball to Terrell Davis and everyone knows TJ is twice the back Davis was. Think of the draft picks they could have gotten for Elway when they had a great D and incredible running game.
First of all, I don't think there's ever been a quarterback in NFL history who was hampered by a dominating ground game. If the Jets control the ball on the ground then Cutler's passing would be more effective. He would pass less, but more effectively. Secondly, the Broncos talent level is irrelevant to the performance of the Jets quarterback. All that really matters is, who is better? Ratliff/Clemens or Cutler? I don't know for sure but the odds are stacked there. Finally, draft picks should not be held onto like security blankets. I have seen entire Jets draft classes that I would gladly have given up for a good quarterback. This team has been lacking a strong, potentially elite, young quarterback for the longest time. If this team can get a very good quarterback who can lead the team for 10 more years then I don't know how many draft picks would be too much. Would it be better to have a great QB than, say, Bryan Thomas and DeWayne Roberston, our No.1s in 2002 and 2003? And the Jets spent two first-round picks on Roberston! Looking at things with the benefit of hindsight, wouldn't a QB like Cutler be arguably more valuable than the entire first round of 2000? Ellis, Abraham, Pennington, Becht? Yet before that draft you would have been considered insane to throw all four picks at one player. It won't be a simple matter of draft picks, but if it was, I would give up a lot for Cutler. The key point is how much the Jets brass value him.
1 - Good coaches adapt to their personnel, unlike dickhead Mangini who tried to ram his style down the team's throat. 2 - Denver has better receivers, the rest of their team doesn't come close to what the Jets have. 3 - Utter nonsense
I love how gunslingers can't be put into a ball control offense, rather than thinking that its be best of both worlds - a vertical game if needed while playing the ball control offense. and to think sacrificing this year's 1st rounder will cripple this team is retarded... there is more chance that the rookie can bust and mess up the cap more than Cutler coming here and doing well.
That I will agree on, but nothing else. Cutler would instantly make us a passing threat and in-turn make our running game better. If a team plays 8 in the box on Cutler, he would tear them up in the air. We already have seem them box up on Clemens and he still souldn't move the ball. Three years and he has shown nothing. Let him go to the Browns in a three way trade. Mangini wanted him, he can have him. Give me Cutler!
I think that character card went out in Mangini's second year when he realized what a disaster it had created.
