Jets in on Hightower

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  1. mitsudriver

    mitsudriver Member

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    Hightower's contract was reported incorrectly. It's actually 4 years $35.5 million with $19 million guaranteed. So all this Jets ran up the price talk looks completely ridiculous now. He signed with the Pats for $8.875 million per year. If the Jets were offering $11 million a year he obviously didn't want to be a Jet.
     
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  2. Snoopdogg

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    Clearly the cupcakes were not of premium quality

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  3. pdxdrew

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    It's amazing how the media blows this out of proportion to screw the Jets. The Jets probably told Hightower something similar as the Steelers or were told he wasn't interested in the first place. Fine. How the he'll does celebrating a guys birthday make you look stupid? There are so many Pats ass kissers in the media now they can slant anything they want.
     
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  4. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Well I do not think that U actually believed what U posted but here goes anyway. H/tower is a pretty decent player correct? The Pats R one of the top notch team in the league coached by one of the smartest HC maybe ever with a pretty smart owner with a pretty decent QB. Now OTH the NYJs have a moronic owners as the last 15 or so years has proven. Have one the stupidest GM in the league as the Hack over Dak pick has proved + NO QUALITY QB. Knowing all that as the player who would U chose? :mad:
     
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  5. NOVAJET

    NOVAJET "2020 TGG Fantasy Football Champ"

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    Wish we could find a QUALIRT QB:mad:
     
  6. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Try quality :mad:
     
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    NOVAJET "2020 TGG Fantasy Football Champ"

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    Haha, nice. Fix your post then mock mine. Classy move.
     
  8. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    i did some research before and out of the top 10 Qbs only half came out of the 1st round. and even less came out of the top 10. wilson, brady, carr, dak, etc all came out of the 1st round.
    and the list of 1st round bust Qbs is long and really hurts the franchise long term.
     
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  9. ColoradoContrails

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    The problem with doing a "statistical" analysis on when your best odds of picking a QB are is that the variables can't easily be quantified. The best you can do is say is that the higher you draft one, the better your odds are, but there's no guarantee. One of the big variables is the make up of the team you put him on, including the coaching. Would Tom Brady have become a HOF on any other team? What about Prescott - would he have succeeded on another team like he did for Dallas? So you can't just look at the QB's numbers and reliably predict much of anything. We can only hope that the guys evaluating the QBs know what they're looking for and can factor in these other variables.

    Based on my limited knowledge and expertise, if I thought a guy could be the FQB I would take him with my first pick, because after that the odds decrease.
     
  10. BLottZ

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    So turns out Hightower got A LOT less than originally reported. WOW

     
  11. GasedAndConfused

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    a few things and while i do agree with your sentiment
    1) you could argue that the higher you take a QB the better you have a chance of them succeeding for sure. but it's also a higher risk as drafting a QB high can set your franchise back for years if they fail, compared to drafting one later. in a sense a higher QB is a high risk/high reward while a late round QB is a low risk/high reward. A QB like dak, had he failed, wouldn't have been a huge set back to dallas. But look how sanchez set us back,
    2) you are correct, but in our current situation it's not very "rookie QB" friendly. SO taking a QB high for us would be putting him in a situation to fail and setting us back further.

    I do agree that at best no matter what research you do, the draft is a crap shoot. it's that simple. I'm all for grabbing trib if he falls to 6, but i'm just saying tanking and trying to land next years "top QB" isn't a good idea as it's a slim chance it actually works. You play the hand you get and look to improve over time. no QB we draft is going to succeed in 2017
     
  12. GasedAndConfused

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    only 9 mil a year? he wanted to stay in NE clearly
     
  13. CJLang

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    There are another $8mil in incentives that would bring the contract to 43.5mil, and most may be easy to achieved. Workout bonuses etc...

    It comes down to $19mil guaranteed.
     
  14. ColoradoContrails

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    Agree 1000%.

    And agree that taking a QB with a high pick is "high risk/high reward", but they need a FQB and need to take the risk IMO, especially as you point out that waiting until 2018 or 2019 provides no guarantees.

    What this means is that we have to rely on a GM and scouting group that can identify the best QB prospect. And this makes me skeptical of Macc because so far his two picks haven't proved to be pro-ready. Could they be? Yeah, but so far there's no evidence. Of course this might cause some to say that as long as Macc is the GM we shouldn't draft a QB because it's a waste of a pick, but whether he's a good judge of QBs or not, he's going to have to figure out some way of finding one that can take them to the SB.
     
  15. Jonathan_Vilma

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    I disagree because I can see either Wilkerson or Leo succeeded as the 3Technique. Truthfully they're built initially for the 3-4, but if surrounded with the correct players, mainly a speedy edge rusher on the weak side, Leonard Williams can certainly play the strong side end IMO. He's in the mold of Reggie White.

    The problem is that there is absolutely no speed between Sheldon, Leo and Wilk. If you add a speed guy the whole dynamic changes.
     
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  16. Red Menace

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    They could draft Foster, put him in the MLB spot, move Lee to weak side and put Mauldin at strong, he has bulked up a bit.

    Or draft Barnett, put him on weak side end, Sheldon, MO, inside and Leo on strong side with Jenkins, Darron Lee as MLB and Mauldin as Will.
     
  17. Jonathan_Vilma

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    If we go defense, the options are limitless. I just hope the coaching staff is innovative enough to make it work the correct way.

    At the same time sometimes it's best to limit the exotic schemes and line up and play if you have the horses.

    That's my biggest problem with the 3-4 defenses. The exotic blitz schemes have been easily neutralized by the short little option routes over the middle. If any of the top 15 quarterbacks in the league read blitz they dump it off to their hot read. It's too easy to beat and nearly every offense has a quick read built into almost every play for such scenarios.

    The Seahawks have simplified defense which is why they're so effective. Line up the front four and let them pin their ears back and get after it. They give up yardage on the ground but it's negated by big timely sacks.

    Enough of this heavy blitzing sending safeties and corners from 8 yards back! I know we dialed that back a bit this year but it's a dying breed.

    If we're going to stick with a 3-4 we need the outside linebackers to be effective edge rushers so we don't NEED to blitz 6 or 7 and can rush 4 or 5. The Ravens and Steelers have this perfected with Suggs/Dumervil and Harrison over the years.
     
  18. Patriot

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    Thanks for the update.

    Wow, that being the case, Hightower let about 8.5 million on the table! This assumes the Jets offered him 11 million. Chances are good he may not play beyond the contract because being a Middle Linebacker is a very punishing position. This was his chance for the big payday and I don't understand his reasoning and I think it is fiscally dumb. Look maybe playing for the Pats might be more fun, but to give up 8.5 million dollars makes no sense to me. Maybe money is not that important to Hightower. Otherwise maybe I am the dumb one because for 8.5 million dollars in 4 years I would clean toilets all day long.

    The Steelers do not have a history of giving big money to free agents, so I doubt very much they were in play.
     
  19. grkmanga31

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    According to Connor Hughes of NJ.com, Jets had a 55 million offer which could have had a max pay out of $62.5 million over a course of 5 years assuming Hightower played in every game and made the pro bowl every year.

    The offer was subsequently pulled when Hightower took his physical as Jets doctors had relayed to Macc that they were not comfortable with his physical state.

    The Jets offer was substantially more lucrative over that of the Pats which wanted to give Hightower 8.75 mil annually.

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...ghtower_after_troubli.html#incart_river_index
     
  20. Jetsfansince95

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    Damn I'm good :)
     

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