Jets hire Robert Saleh

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  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I agree that we need some veteran leaders, but I don't want any more older vets who still command top $ but whose play no longer resembles their play when younger. If Sherman will come at a reduced rate, great, but I have no interest in paying him big money. There have to be other FAs who can still play at a high level, or who will come at a cheaper rate to mentor the kids. In FA players count against the salary cap and they're being paid to play, not to coach or mentor. If Sherman wants to be a DB Coach and Saleh wants to hire him, great. He won't count against the salary cap then.
     
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    You had me going there for a minute. ROFLMAO
     
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    Flacco isn't the same type of QB that Fields or Sam are, however, so I'm not sure that he would be a good fit. Even though he has had injury problems lately, I think Tyrod Taylor may be better.
     
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    Thanks for the good wishes!
     
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    Thanks for the good wishes and for your feedback.
     
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    Tyrod is fine too, Fitzpatrick, Flacco, any solid back-up, who might need to start for the first half of the season, while the rookie learns. The fact Flacco is a statue and Fields can move I don't think will be a big issue with good OC. Sam can play that role too even as a worst case scenario, but I just don't want any drama with 3 young QBs there, and I DEFINITELY want top QB talent in this draft.
     
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    JD and Saleh are gonna talk Sam up to the rafters, JD already has. Whether we keep him or trade him, talking him up is the right thing to do.

    I hear Saleh is bringing Lafluer. If he can only bring one guy, I wish it as Nick Bosa.

    JD signed a 6 yr deal a yr ago, Saleh signed a 5 yr deal yesterday. So in 5 yrs we can clean house if need be with no worries. SOOO much of both of their future depends on making the right QB call.

    I think JD would love to replace Sam with a rookie QB (and a new 5 yr rookie contract). But the draft capital that 2nd overall pick represents is SOOOO tempting, especially with a team so full of so many big holes. If JD goes rookie QB, he's tied to him for better or worse for the remainder of his contract. If he drafts the wrong QB, his time here will be done (Saleh's too). But if he goes with Sam, it's much easier to change course in a year or two if it's not working out.
     
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    I am not thrilled with this pick. I would have preferred Brian Daboll. He is defensive minded coach in a league that is moving to pass over run.
     
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    Having let this sink in for a day now, I think the single most underrated - and glossed over even when it is brought up - aspect of his candidacy that he's only 41 years old, yet has 16 (SIXTEEN!) years of coaching experience in the NFL.

    He's a young hot shot candidate, which are usually guys almost exclusively in the innovative college coach category - yet somehow Saleh is decidedly NOT inexperienced in the NFL.

    To put this in perspective, when Saleh started working in the NFL, Peyton Manning was ringless, had only won 2 of his 5 career MVPs, and sported a 3-5 career playoff record. Saleh was already working in the NFL when Shaun Alexander won MVP and set the NFL record for most TDs in a season. And he's younger than Alexander.

    He's the same age as Kingsbury in ARI, yet he's entering as a HC with 16(!) years of coaching experience in the NFL.

    Man, I really hope this works out...
     
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    Agree with most, except your assertion about Sam being "non-fixable." Good grief! Give the guy a chance with some better players and some decent coaching. Number 1 overall QB Jim Plunkett sucked for years with the Pats and moved on to the Raiders and won the super bowl.
     
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    No, it won't be easier. The team will be better and be drafting lower, and the chances of having an opportunity to draft a FQB will be much lower. JD and Saleh will also be judged if they waste a year trying to "save Sam" and pass up on 3 potential FQBs in this draft. They'd get raped in the media if even one or of those QBs go on to prove that they are FQBs and Sam plays only average (and that will be very difficult for him to achieve), but if two or all three go on to become FQBs and Sam sucks, his reputation and career will take a HUGE hit.
     
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    Sorry, but I've seen Sam suck enough. I'm not willing to wait years more for the light to go on with him. The odds are stacked against him. IMO it's time to move on.
     
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    All of the last top-rated college QBs GMs traded up for flopped. Wentz, Darnold, Trubisky

    All of the good ones fell to teams. Jackson, Mahomes, etc..

    No one is trading up to #2. JD/Saleh have to decide if it’s Darnold or Fields.

    Cincy trading up to get Sewell has a higher chance.
     
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    You are not by any chance part Welsh as well are you?
     
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    None of those QBs are FQBs. Fields ceiling is Kirk Cousins, and he's probably the best of them. Lets say JD drafts Fields and in Fields' 4th season he plays us to another 8-8 season, which seems to be his ceiling. Then what? We just wasted 4 years (and probably JD and Saleh too) on a rookie QB who's ceiling was Kirk Cousins.
     
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    feels good to have a coach that chose the jets over all his other options. on good morning football peter shr..... said he text saleh after the interview and saleh said he wanted the jets job. ibet he watched the jets beat the rams and saw some potential in the jets.
     
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    He started off under Pete Carroll so that's the system he ran intially and from a coverage standpoint it's still rooted in that system.

    But upfront, he changed to the Wide 9 in 2019 and the defense really took off with the hiring of D-Line coach Kris Koureck, who worked under Schwartz when he with the Lions. Acquiring Bosa definitely helped also but the transition really worked for the personnel we had. I wasn't the biggest fan of the Wide 9 beforehand. Wide 9 were usually piss-poor against the run but it really catapulted our unit to elite in one year.

    So the scheme is mostly a zone oriented from a coverage perspective. It's still rooted in those Carroll Cover-3 principles but he's tweaked it and added some match-up zone elements as well as playing more man-under, depending on down & distance.

    The key will be finding the edge rushers to free up guys like Williams in the interior. I think that's the key. He doesn't like to blitz. I think we had the lowest blitz percentage the last two seasons. He wants to get home with four and play coverage behind it...make you consistently work your way down the field, drive after drive, without giving up ANYTHING over the top.

    LBs are key as well. LBs HAVE to be able to move and have the ability to hold up in man coverage situations. He had one of the best in Warner manning the middle and guys like Kwon Alexander and Dre Greenlaw gave us one of the best duo of OLBs from a coverage perspective in 2019. With as much zone as he plays, your LBs have to be able to cover alot of ground and be instinctive in space. AND THEY MUST BE SOUND TACKLERS! Can't stress that enough.
     
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    Michael Lombardi not impressed by Saleh

     
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    Niners fans always knew that wherever Saleh landed, LaFluer was headed with him. They've known each other a long before they were Niners and like his brother, Mike knows his offensive football. I think that's the best part of hiring Saleh. He went against one of the best offensive minds in football daily and brought along one of his top disciples. He knows what good offensive football should look like and his new OC was right there with his HCing brother, learning from Kyle & his dad way back when.
     
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    Thank you for the insightful reply....Micah Parsons will be Jets selection.
     

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