Jets Hire Marty Mornhinweg for OC

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    In all fairness, they turned him into attractive trade bait.
     
  2. Longsuffering88

    Longsuffering88 Well-Known Member

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    WcO seems to require skills that Mark lacks.

    I don't see why implementing things he is bad at will suddenly make him good at these things.


    Like asking a free swinger to bunt, and take more pitches in baseball. It never works. Hopefully this does, but I dont see the logic.
     
  3. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    I like this hire. The number 1 reason why is 10 years of offensive coordinator experience. Sparano had none and it showed he was terrible. He is walking into a mess but I feel better about this guy than with Hamilton or Cameron. Now you don't always know what your gonna get with these WCO guys just remember Paul Hackett. For QB coach I would talk to Chad Pennington to see if he is interested.
     
  4. Aewhistory

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    While you're right to complain about the complainers, don't you think some of these people have made meritorious points? We do an exhaustive search for a GM and hire the OC on the same day? Unless Idzik came with Morniwheg (how do you spell his name again?) in his pocket there is just no way he had any real input. So we have a new GM overseeing a team this year that he has had no voice in creating. Essentially this is damn near a lame duck year to START for Idzik. That's ridiculous. And don't get me started on Vick. Yes, he served his time, but I still think that made is a reprehensible steaming pile of semi-human refuse (hope I'm not beating around the bush too much here....).

    I am starting to believe more and more that the real problem, above all else, is woody. So long as he owns the Jets we will be a laughingstock. I'm not certain, but it is a gut feeling.... Woody in an incompetent boob and we will suffer because he wants to play Madden but for real. :)

    All of that said, I'm not sure about this hire. I don't know much about MM. I know he sucked as the
    Lions HC, but is that really so damning any longer? The Lions are like a black hole for talent it seems. Makes one wonder if the Fords have paid the NFL to make sure they don't win until everyone owns one of their cars or something.
     
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  5. Aewhistory

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    Yea, come to think of it, the more I read the more i like the hire, at least in theory. Of course, this is all based on both Rex and the new GM letting MM rebuild the offense in the best way he knows how and the whole FO working together despite having been patched together. It can happen, but it worries me. For instance, up 'til now Rex has been a zero on offense. I worry that we bring in MM and Rex decides that he is going to become "mr. Involved" and muck around too much. There has to be a balance and that is not something Rex has shown to be adept at.

    Nevertheless, I cannot help but second the recommendation that people just get past or ignore MM's record with the Lions. He screwed up with the Lions, he made mistakes, and maybe he just royally sucks as a HC. Who cares if he sucks as a HC? We hired him as an OC and every indication is that he is quite good at that job. Okeedokee with me and a much better track record than Sparano.
     
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  6. #1 Jets Fan

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    I guess u didn't see many Eagles this past season? Yes Vick was some of the blame but there D sucked.
     
  7. The 1985er

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    So in essence Garcia>>McNabb? Since according to you McNabb was coached up, while Garcia didn't need much coaching. Vick always had the talent he just didn't work hard enough, he even said it himself.

    Sam Bradford is an average QB, the Rams offense has been bad these last 2 or 3 years, STL fans have noticed an improvement this past season with Schotty and Fisher at the helm.

    If Bradford turns into a good/great QB then the offense will improve it's simple as that.
     
  8. milcus

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    Happiest person in the world when he heard this - Santonio Holmes.

    However, wait until he gets to training camp and sees Sanchez. That excitement should go away fairly quickly.

    Sanchez cant handle an idiotic, outdated ground and pound offense. We now expect him to handle an offense where he has to throw? This is going to work out well.
     
  9. NoodleArm

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    That's definitely where the smart money is and, ceteris paribus, I completely agree. All that said, I'm still optimistic -- a lot can change before camp. Who knows? Maybe Nacho restructures to go somewhere else where we can compete? Maybe someone falls to us early like Smith or maybe we find someone late like Klein. Or, maybe Sanchez decides to study and regains his nerve (most, most unlikely).
     
  10. Rockinz

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    This is a clear indication we are NOT starting Sanchez!

    Geno Smith please!!!!
     
  11. JetsKickAss

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    Anybody who thinks Vick is better than Sanchez is crazy.
     
  12. Burnz

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    One word...Buttfumble
     
  13. ArmandJ

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    Vick is definitely more athletic than Sanchez, so that's a slight edge over him.
     
  14. ajax

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    Andy Reid has a good rep offensively & with QB. I'm thinking he'll take Geno Smith with confidence that he'll get his upside.
     
  15. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Name one thing that Sanchez does well?

    he has an above average arm
    poor foot work
    no pocket pressence
    can't read a defense
    below average athletic ability
    fumbles the ball
    makes constant bad decisions leading to INT's
    buttfumble


    so what is it that you and these apologists see in him? To even say that anybody that thinks Vick is better than Sanchez is crazy is ridiculous in itself.
     
  16. NoodleArm

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    "Apologist" is a very strong word. We all recognize that Sanchez was signed to a contract that was so bad that it, at least partially, got the GM fired. Being stuck with Sanchez eating up 12.4M of cap size is, most certainly, not ideal and he'd be gone but for the cap hit.

    Most fans are trying to find a silver lining to the situation by pointing to MM's history of squeezing talent out of QBs. It is most unlikely that Sanchez's performance rises to that of McNabb, Garcia, Vick, or even Foles because, as you pointed out, he just does not possess either the physical talent or the mental tenacity to be a successful starting QB in the regular season. I don't think that it'll happen and that our Jets will go in a different direction.

    That being said, it's a non-zero possibility that Sanchez finds some redemption. I'd give it a 1/1,000,000 shot, but it's a silver lining. Right?
     
  17. Rockinz

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    probably... He likes strong arm QB's
     
  18. legler82

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    Garcia was like 35 or 36 when he joined the Eagles; his coached up days were over. He was what he was at that point. Having to be coached up doesn't automatically makes you an inferior player. McNabb is obviously the better player; I didn't think that needed to be spelled out. I'm just saying coaching and the system helped maximized his God given abilities. If there was any flaws in his game, it was accuracy. He was notorious for missing wide open guys. I feel Reid and MM curbed that with their coaching and system. McNabb never cracked the 60% completion rate mark until MM became the OC. Vick never came close to 60% until under MM. Coaching and the system improved their accuracy. Hopefully it can do the same for Nacho.

    Also getting a player to work harder than he has in the past can be a product of coaching too.
     
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  19. jonnyd

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    plus he had full blown AIDS by then
     
  20. The 1985er

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    i understand your point, but i'm just tired of sanchez, and with Rex coaching for his job next season i highly doubt he'll be the starter.

    I get your point. What made him special was turning an average receiving corp (something Sanchez apologist use as an excuse for his poor play) into legit weapons. So if McNabb was a product of a system then he would have needed much better weapons to pull that off.
     

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