Again, eh, the Bears were a contender this year. If Gase and Darnold are the real deal and Mac makes the correct offseason moves with their cap space (Sam is only one of the 3 I have faith in) you can absolutely contend right away.
Also quite a stretch to say Monken wouldn’t come here is Sam doesn’t improve, he may think he can be the guy to improve him.
Yeah I guess it's possible we can contend this year. But after 2015, I don't want Mac to get any ideas. As for Sam, if he doesn't improve after a second year in the NFL and Gase's coaching (i.e. has another year with a passer rating in the 70s), he isn't going to last long in the NFL. Not that I think that will happen. But if it does, Monken isn't stupid enough to risk his career on a probable bust.
Darnold is still incredibly young. He needs to show improvement but would still be too early to dismiss him after another year. Have to weigh all factors too (how’s Gase doing etc)
I wouldn't dismiss Darnold (though QBs who don't figure it out by Year 2 rarely succeed, and if I had the top pick I'd consider drafting a new one). But if I'm Monken and have multiple offers, I don't choose this one. Also, before another poster jumps in on this conversation, it's all hypothetical. I expect Darnold to improve!
Yeah, not feeling this hire. This can be a problem. Gase is supposed to watch and coach the entire team and him calling plays when you hired a guy to do that. What is dud gonna be doing?
I think your idea of Gase overseeing the entire team might need tweaking. We may be looking at the forerunner of an entirely new Org. Chart. You'll have Gase as the HC/OC, Williams as the DC, Boyer as STC. Each of them will have their own staffs and possibly report directly to Chris who is the CEO. Macc? He'll do the shopping and this new OC will keep the coffee coming during the week. In effect, you're looking at 3 entirely seperate entities that wear the same uniform. Each unit is independent and reports to that particular Coach. I think you're looking at a new definition of "head coach" as you'll have to follow with: HC of D, O or ST's. Not saying it can't work but I am saying its certainly innovative. Delegating can be a good thing. Bowles tried this in reverse with several OC's with marginal results. Note that any of the other coaches on the staff can step in and be the HC should Gase burn out.. Genius!
I am concerned because generally speaking smart bosses don't care to be surrounded by yes men. They either want the brightest people they can find or someone who is experienced and has the balls to call you on your shit. A play-caller doesn't need a yes man. A play caller needs someone who they can turn to and be reminded of something they talked about that week. Or someone who can grab them and say - Hey Adam - remember we have this guy here on the bench and he looked good in practice. Or someone to say hey Adam - it looks like they are starting to jump the route - what about that 9's play? Otherwise wtf are they actually doing there?
Geez, I hope not. Somebody has to be in charge; if the head coach is unwilling or unable to take control of the entire team I don't want him. The head coach needs to tell the DC when it's time to go into a prevent defense (never) and when to blitz. He needs to decide if it's four down territory or punt it and have the defense do the work. These are not good decisions made by committee, or by a guy with little familiarity with the defense or special teams.
What does Eric Bienemy do in KC under Andy Reid?Same w.Doug Peterson when Reid was in Philly? There are countless other examples of HC’s who called their offensive plays but had offensive coordinators under them. In most cases those OC’s started as unknowns under thise HC’s school of thought who were able to contribute in other ways than the things we as fans can properly assess. You cant have a HC who calls plays & runs the offense w. a high profie OC who has his complete own philosophy..esp w Greg Williams as the DC on the other side of the ball. It’s too many cooks in the kitchen & just asking for a disaster. I get the sense some folks wanted a big name;The only one ive heard is Todd Monken who AGAIN has his own philosophy on how to do things & will soon be an HC in this own right. Nobody should be excited about this guy but no one should be up in arms or upset in anyway.This is an extension of Gase & his philosophy.
I didn't want a big name. I'd be perfectly fine with an unknown. It's just that we know Loggains sucks.
As a playcaller being in charge of the entire offense,which we know he wont be doing here. What else does he suck at that we know about? He might have not played acouple good players enough in acouple stops?How do we know hes doing that here..again hes not running the offense! So until we know exactly what his role is & find actual evidence that suggests he sucks at specifically those aspects theres really no reason to have any opinion really.
Loggains called for the Browns to draft Manziel, and Bears and Dolphins fans think he's a joke. So I'm not exactly optimistic about this guy.
I think you're mostly correct, but I do think Gase is the Head Coach and Boyer and Williams do report to him. The thing here is that I think this is what Gase wants to do. I think he really only wants to run the offense and then have very good coaches below him that handle the other aspects of the team with minimal input from him. He wanted strong coaches to whom he could delegate these other jobs and then he wants to give them the independence to succeed. For somebody like a Williams, this is very attractive, he could run the defense as he wants with minimal interruption from the head coach. I think that Gase concluded after his Miami experience that (i) he was spread across too many different jobs (Head coach, OC and GM) and he couldn't effectively focus on the offense to help them succeed and (ii) he had hired his friends rather than good independent coaches who could operate on their own and be responsible for their parts of the team without a lot of his involvement. I don't think most head coaches would want this type of arrangement (can you imagine Rex or Bellicheck handing off the offense and not being involved?), but after Gase's Miami experience I think this is exactly what he wanted. With the Jets, he'll also be developing a young QB, which will likely take even more of his time. Given the coaches he'll be working with on the Jets, this could be a very successful strategy, especially if Macc can be successful in bringing in talent. I was initially somewhat disappointed with the Gase hiring, but after seeing what he's done with other QBs and the way the Jets are building a coaching staff around him, I find myself very hopeful for the future of this team.
I think the situation with Gase running the offense he would prefer a coach that knows his offense & he has worked with over a new OC that has to learn the offense. I am also sure Loggains is a OC that he works well with or he wouldn't have hired him. They must have a system on game preparation, practices, & game day. Gase is to smart to just hire a coffee jockey just because he's a friend. Remember he hired a new STC, OLC & DC, none of which were Miami through off. So I'm sure he feels good about the Loggains hire. The more I think about it, I much rather have a OC that knows the ins & outs of the system from day 1, to help teach the offense than a new OC that needs to learn the system. I feel much better about Gase & his perspective on how he wants to coach the team, after watching this interview.
That would be my take on it too. He's hiring strong, semi-independent, experienced guys in areas where he has less input and wants guys he knows and works well with in those he's in full control of. As for Loggains, we know he sucks as a playcaller, but he must have done something right, somewhere to get that opportunity in the first place. He was a QB coach first, so perhaps he's really good in that area. Maybe he's good at installing game plans or really detailed in preparation. Some people just aren't cut out for the next step, cough, Bowles, cough. I don't see it as a yes man situation, but someone whose skills mesh well with Gase's and with what is required as the OC of the Jets in the team's current situation. It doesn't mean he would be the right fit elsewhere or with another HC. Time will tell, if indeed he is the hire.
