Jets GM John Idzik said he's a Jet, Open Competition...about Mark Sanchez

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  1. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Kind of disagree here. I think he tries to make the "great play" instead of throwing the ball away to make up for the play right before where he missed a wide open receiver, or a series before where he threw a pick. It's the classic notion of trying to redeem one's self after making a boneheaded play.
     
  2. tbruner12

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    excellent choice! I like mich!
    Ill see your he starts the next season and raise you another case that they draft his replacement, no matter which round they get him 1-7, next draft unless they don't get the chance and some other team gets him.
    Either way whether through free agency or the draft they try to get someone else. Deal?
     
  3. Br4d

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    So, in other words he makes boneheaded plays to try to make up for boneheaded plays?

    I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think that he's losing his job in the process of committing an unending stream of boneheaded plays of which not throwing the ball away when he needs too is well represented in the sequence.

    I also think he doesn't understand that not throwing the ball away when he needs too is costing him (has cost him) his job.
     
  4. Demosthenes9

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    Yep. You see this dynamic quite a bit in basketball. Guy comes down, commits a stupid turnover, so what does he do ? He turns around and commits a foul on the guy dunking the ball, leading to a 3 point play.


    Oh, I agree with that part completely. My disagreement was with "why" it was happening.

    I'd have to think that he knows this, but, it goes back to what I was talking about, he knows his other boneheaded plays could cost his job also, so, instead of throwing it away, he tries to make something happen.

    Think about it. 1st and 10, Shonn Greene with a 2 yard run into the line. 2nd and 8, Sanchez throws a 12 yard pass well behind a wide open Keller which falls incomplete. Now it's 3rd and 8 due to the fact that Sanchez is inaccurate. So what does he do ? He tries to force a ball into triple coverage instead of throwing the ball away.
     
  5. Demosthenes9

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    The Jury voted and came back with a "guilty as charged" verdict after seeing that interception Sanchez threw at the Seattle goal line and after the 3 Int's against the Cardinals followed up with 4 int's against the Titans.
     
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  6. Hobbes3259

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    Cool. But his replacement has to start game one, the season after this...fair enough?
     
  7. Hobbes3259

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    He has admitted that in press interviews. His balls are bigger than his brain, it appears.

    However....that can be coached.
     
  8. CBG

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    I always liked Sanchez that said I have seen enough . The guy did not just play badly and yes he was not surrounded by a lot of talent but his decisions were horrendous. You do not get to be the worst ranked qb in the league by accident,,,,,he earned it :sad:

    I can not imagine who if anyone they plan on bringing in to compete / take the job. ?
     
  9. Br4d

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    I don't think that can be coached. Not without a wristband color-coded red, yellow, green.

    That should have been a flaming signal for all of us. Sanchez wasn't coachable enough to dial back by the normal methods as a rookie. The Jets had to invent a special method to reinforce things that the coaches should have been able to get across with verbal instruction.

    You can make the argument that there were multiple layers to this problem with Schotty really wanting to show off his full offense after a year of Brett "It's a WCO, right?" Favre running the show. However the facts are that the Jets wound up with that ridiculous wrist-strap in response to Sanchez predilection to make risky throws when safety was called for.
     
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  10. Jeti

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    I'm willing to give Sanchez another shot unless we draft

    <--------this guy

    we dont have too many options
     
  11. Hobbes3259

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    No, that's clearly a coaching point.


    Don't force it, dump it....

    5 words,
     
  12. BeastBeach

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    Lmao so you're telling me that the only thing stopping Sanchez from not being a bonehead is that nobody ever told him not to force it but throw it away? You must be trolling
     
  13. alleycat9

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    thats pretty funny. i mean its documented and br4d just talked about how they tried to get this guy to understand the same shit we learned in pop warner and almost any decent qb was over in high school. there is a time to be safe and there is a time to take chances.

    the fact it even needed to be talked about is damning. the fact that it obviously WAS talked about and STILL they had to go further and color code things speaks volumes about it not being the coordinator but it in fact being the player who is a re re.

    then again that was back then in the sanchez glory days as junc would have you believe.
     
  14. laxin

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    Ive screamed that at my TV probably 50 times over the course of his career... You don't think Schotty or Sparano made that an emphasis?

    Sparano sucked, but the one thing I remember about him when he came in was that one of his biggest foundations on offense was avoiding turnovers and not forcing throws.

    See, things like that aren't just coaching. Im sure Sanchez heard it hundreds of times over his career to not force a ball... Its up to the player himself to comprehend it and not make the boneheaded throws. Its not like its madden and the OC's are controlling Sanchez and press the "B" button. Sanchez is the one on the field making the throws, reads (pre-snap and post-snap), he's the one thats responsible for throwing the ball away if a play isnt there.
     
  15. Hobbes3259

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    My only point is that's a film room coaching point. You must be trolling.

    Athletes play, coaches educate. Too difficult a concept?
     
  16. Hobbes3259

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    Mee too. "deliver the fucking ball" was one of the first phrases my kids probably learned.


    But considering it dares back to Penny, you can't hang it on mark yet...
     
  17. BeastBeach

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    Sparano's stated mantra was: Any drive that ends in a kick is a success

    And you really think they didn't beat it into his head to take a sack or throw it away?
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    Lmao, coming from a guy whose feam has had no QB play since Maribo..


    No, the point is in not coddling him in the film room, and the larger half of that until now....has been coaches that didn't want to get called out on bad plays, which a 5 overall has the heft to do.


    That is no longer the case.
     
  19. alleycat9

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    so wait a second, you are saying that they DID NOT in fact tell him or make clear to him to protect the ball?

    is that your stance here?

    and again, what makes you feel like marty morningwood i going to be so much better?
     
  20. Hobbes3259

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    Put MMs record against the previous,,OCs.

    Are you really saying, he's not better?
     

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