I watch football and, to a lesser degree, hockey. Any owner worth shit in the first place doesn't need this kind of message in order to be angry over the failure of his organization...are you following me? Plus, it is stupid for anybody to give up hundreds of dollars they've already spent if they think their absence from the game is going to make any difference. The powers that be should already have their heads wrapped around the idea of doing what's right to improve the team in the best ways they deem appropriate. If that isn't true in the first place, then you are in trouble either way. If they aren't committed to winning, they can "clean house" and hire whoever, and that'll placate the fans for a while...then, when that doesn't pan out, they can rinse and repeat. New doesn't necessarily mean better, you know. But I"m not trying to get into whether they should keep the coach, GM, or QB...that's entirely beside the point I'm trying to make. What I'm trying to say is that if you don't trust the ownership to have the wherewithal to at least try to do the right thing regardless, any kind of juvenile display of "oh yeah, well we'll show YOU" is kinda retarded and won't change a damn thing, really. If you don't WANT to go to the game because of how the Jets are doing even if you bought a ticket, that's one thing. Personally, I think that's the definition of a fair weather fan, especially considering the Jets successes in the recent past...we aren't talking about a long, protracted period of total failure. BUT, if you are deliberately going to waste your money by trying to "send a message," then you are stupid...no offense, of course.
Fewer bodies in the stadium equals less concessions and swag sales, which will hurt Woody's bottom line. Let's not forget the guy borrowed 750 mil to build met life. Hit him where it hurts.
Stop thinking small and start looking at the big picture. Do the math. Multiplication is a bitch when it comes to things like concession and swag sales etc. Especially if you need every dime of revenue just to cover what you already got laid out. Woody has more money laid out in this stadium than most of us will ever earn in our lifetimes. Here's an easy excersize for you to try: 25,000 no shows x $13.50 for your hotdog/beer example = ______ . This is a conservative estimate and only accounts for one of the remaining 3 home games. Keep in mind we're not even factoring in swag sales and other downstream revenue like parking or the cost of the ticket itself. Get back to us with the right number and we can continue this line of conversation. I'm sure StatJeff would just love to jump in here as this is in his wheelhouse.
I'd rather not waste my time sitting in traffic after a blowout\disappointing loss. Instead sit in warmth where I can curse, scream, throw stuff all I want.
Depending on your standards it could be, but regardless, the Jets history isn't all that great so it's not saying much either way...
If I didn't have a penis, I'd be a woman. Are you serious with that reasoning? If if if. Yet you get on the Jets fans cases if they say "if".
What's going to send is a message is not spending money in the Jets Shop and nobody picking up the cheap tickets available on secondary markets, THEN next year a lot of people not renewing their season tickets, especially if 2/3rds or more of the same "Big Three" (Tannenbaum, Ryan, Sanchez) return. Would be hysterical to see the Jets try and sue thousands of PSL's owners.
you don't understand how this game works then, success isn't guaranteed. we've had a ton of it in the last decade plus and we are having a bad year. It happens, it doesn't mean we blow up the organization. Do you have kids? if so, let's say your child gets mostly B's and a few A's for years then one quarter they bring home an F- do you give up on them? do you change everything you did before? Of course not. You tweak, you teach and learn a lesson. If next year we don't see improvement then we start talking about major changes. You don't give up the second things go wrong. That is a quitters mentality. No one is saying to be happy about this stuff but to stage a protest is silly, to not show up to send a message is silly. We needed to do that in 1996 not 2012.
All right, let's do the math. 25000 x $13.50 = $337.5K I'll give you all 8 games to total of ~$2.7M. I have no idea what "swag" sales will amount to, but what do you say if I quadruple the number: 2.7 x 4 = $10.8M. Total revenue of NYJ is $285M. So your hotdogs, beer and swag amount to: 10.8 / 285 = ~ 3.8% of total revenue. I'll let you calculate by yourself what % out of $750M your 11M is. Here's another piece of math you might be interested in. Gate receipts are $77M so it seems that PSL and season tickets bring Woody ~ 7 times more money that all the swag combined. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/30/nfl-valuations-11_New-York-Jets_304841.html So how is the big picture looking? Still think your beer & dog abstinence will influence Woody?
Now, all that math aside, I do think that empty seats will send a message, but not because of the revenues. If on nothing else we can all agree that Woody is very publicity-driven owner. "Entertainment business" & all that... Having CBS televing empty seats & contrast it with Woody's grim face in the sky suite will do wonders to his perception & might actually influence his plans.
Now multiply by tens of thousands. You think Woody in his accounting meetings will chuckle about revenue declines in those areas?
Missed your latest post. 2.7 million. So ok, are you arguing that WJ will laugh off losses like that as he looks to next year? Think two steps ahead. I'm hoping that the no shows and revenue declines get woody asking himself about what happens if this continues into next year. 8 games at 50% no shows? That's what might make him fire Tannenbaum. That's what I want to happen.
if your kid is consistently making A's and B's and all of a sudden they bring home a report card full of F's you are telling me that you just keep on doing what you have been doing? because after all they did great last year. yeah dont bother worrying about the fact that they are out getting high every day, there is no need to make a change there. your one of those parents who says well everything will work out, meanwhile their kid is out booting heroin with money they stole from you. im pretty sure that nobody is "quitting" they want things fixed. they happen to think they will get fixed with someone else fixing them. and have no confidence in the current group to actually fix them. you are so far out in the things you say at this point its just about impossible to have a conversation with you.
sure if he brings home nothing but F's I'd make changes but the Jets have one F and I'm not making drastic changes based on one F. Yes, that is quite the analogy, we were a few pts from the SB 2 years ago, we were at .500 last year and this season isn't over yet but now that is like a child getting all Fs and doing heroin w/ money they steal from you. I feel bad for you, life must really suck. The current group got us closer to a SB than we have been since January of 1969. I have confidence they can do it again, you guys want to start the awful cycle all over again then in 3 years will want a new regime after it doesn't work then 3 years after that another new one, etc...
$2.7M is not pocket change so no, there will be no laughter. 3.8% of total $$ stream however is certainly not enough to "make" him do anything. Don't forget that this amount is max. In reality there is no way half of the staduim will be empty for more than 1 game. To put it bluntly: there is no way there will be 8 games at 50% no shows. Now emberassing Woody is another story. It will get you what you want & fairly quickly.
Since the ticket money is already sunk by the fans, the only ones hurt economically by no-showing are the fans. Yeah, an empty building is embarrassing, but how far will that get us? Woody will just say something like "we are working hard for our fans..." or some BS like that. My question: is it really worth it? So we lower concession revenue for one game. I don't think it amounts to Woody's pocket change. I'm sorry, but boycotting games already paid for by ticket holders is a futile gesture at best. I don't want to sit though Jets-Cardinals either, but why add insult to injury by losing my money because the Jets suck? The only person hurt is me.
Now this is an idea I like. We all know she's bought and paid for. She's probably hankering for some real wood, instead of Johnson's itty bitty piddy. Woody Johnson...now there's a misnomer!
