Jets Draft Capital 3 Years Out

there was no way anyone was giving us a 4th rounder for an 8 game rental

I’d have loved that too, but that was never even a possibility....

 

I'll sign off on it tbh

 

Oh yeah good point, forgot he would only be on whatever team got him for 8 games

 

Maybe we'll be able to use a lot of these 3rd and late 5th and 6th rounders in order to trade back up into the draft and land Trevor Lawrence a real game breaking offensive weapon early on in the draft? JD just might have a plan with all these draft picks galore!

 

Just had a conversation with someone about that. We're giving up players and picks. But a 5th is more trade value points than a 7th so it helps us trade up to get someone. Also a 5th is better than a 7th. Allows you to take a player who falls because if injury who would have went higher. Bryce Hall from this year is a great example. 2nd-3rd round grade falls to the fifth because he will be out half the year.

As we all know this is bad. Real bad. That being said. 28 draft picks over the next three years. We'll see what Douglas does but I do like his plan. Time will tell. One final note. We all disliked Idzik and his 12 did not help. But we are fully rebuilding. The last ten years has been all d. We have no depth. I don't like it but if Douglas does this right we can be competitive real soon.

 

I believe that Douglas will do it right. He will draft a QB and then build around him.

On Dan Patrick this morning, Tony Dungy was a guest. He said that no NFL team is going to win a SB with a "Legion of Boom" D and a mediocre QB. He said that the name of the game is offense and it all starts with the QB. He said that you have to get the QB, and then you can afford to build around him while he is on the cheap rookie contract. He said that when he was with the Colts, GM Bill Polian said that "We have to feed the monster (Manning). We're using our first 2-3 round picks on offense. We'll have to find defensive players in the middle and lower rounds.

He also talked about the Patriots. Said that Belichick is failing miserably in the draft. My memory may be faulty, but believe he said something like that out of his 6 draft picks this year only two have played, or they've only played in 2 games. BB drafted two TEs. They have one reception between them and no TDs.

 

Tbh i hope we keep darnold and trade down from the number one pick. Think about how many picks we will get in return for the first pick. We have so many holes on this team thst i think lawrence would just be another qb we ruined rather thsn a panacea.

 

Even though we usually agree, I couldn't possibly disagree more in this instance. We already have 10-11 picks. That's almost too many. We certainly have more than that many holes, and could use more players, but that will be a lot of players to re-sign in 4 years if they all work out, and it's too many for the coaches to have to try to develop at one time. QB is THE most important position. I seriously doubt that Sam is going to develop. If he develops, it will probably have to be elsewhere. The thing with Darnold, is that he was nowhere near the prospect that Lawrence is and maybe not even as near the prospect that Fields is. Even if his fundamentals get fixed and his confidence rebuilt, can he cut down on the turnovers? Can he learn to read NFL defenses, not stare down receivers, not take sacks, make better decisions, learn to throw the ball away, improve his accuracy in general, but especially on deep passes, and develop into a leader? I doubt that he can do all of those things. I don't believe he has either the football IQ or the IQ in general, and is too California laid back. He doesn't have that fire in his gut, that demeanor to get in players' faces, inspire them and lead them.

Lawrence wouldn't be ruined because Douglas would build around him. He has already shown a commitment to fixing the OL, and he will continue to upgrade it until it is solid. Douglas is no Mac or Idzik. He knows that we need a starting-caliber RB, a much better TE, and a much better and deeper WR corps.

 

Very true. If Sam is not the final answer, we should trade him to SF for a solid pick and give the rookie a shot., Sam might be the catalyst for this team down the stretch.

 

What about the Bears?

 

Even better suggestion

 

The downside to trading Sam now is it's possible that we win a few games with Flacco/Morgan and fall out of the running for Lawrence and Fields.

 

I just don’t see Flacco winning, and don’t know enough about Morgan. But in my eyes, if Sam is not the best of the three, no real downside to getting a good pick for a trade. It means he is not our future.

 

I understand your point and your concerns about darnold are rooted in fact.

A counterpoint to your conerns is that with a new and better coach a shit ton of draft picks and huge cap space we can build around darnold. He will get better and though he may not fix everything proper coaching and a stong supporting staff will help minimize his mistakes.

On another note your predictions about lawrence are just that predictions. Like all college. Like all college qbs he is an unknown. I would hate to walk away from two more first round picksand potentially one or two more second round picks that could completely change our team for a bust.

 

I understand your wanting to build around Sam. He's a great kid and it would be the most efficient and expedient way of rebuilding, I just don't any longer think the quality is there in him to to build around. I think we could have a 1st or 2nd round pick at every position and still wouldn't get to or win a SB with Sam, or at best we might luck into one, but Lawrence would make us a perennial contender, and he would instantly change the culture here as Burrow has in Cincinnati. Why would you want to build around a QB where you have to hide and minimize his mistakes rather than build around a QB who is a much more talented player whom you could build around his strengths, and who doesn't have many flaws?

With regards to Lawrence, it's not just predictions. He is not an unknown. He has played at a very high level against top level competition. He has great character and work ethic. While no draft pick is guaranteed, Lawrence is as close as it gets. He is being universally called a generational QB, and one simply does not pass on those types. Sam is a known, and we know that that "known" simply isn't very good.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

Hopefully our monster is Lawerence and like you said we take the Polian approach and feed the monster. 8 more games to figure it out.

 

I think that was a typo. I believe they have the Pats 2022 6th round pick. I ran into that as well, and finally saw somewhere that it was the 2022 pick.