Jets Could release Gholston and let Douglas hit the open market

jetsmetsfan · Feb 25, 2010

Jets42long said: ↑

We gotta get rid of the ghost. But what is the benefit of letting Douglas go?

When they say hit the open market does that mean FA or just cut him. Maybe if we can pick up a younger guy In free agency that could be a plus.
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Well I hope it's F/A we need to loose some F/A's to get F/A's if we can pu a F/A or 2 before the draft it could make drafting a bit easier

brothermoose · Feb 25, 2010

jetsmetsfan said: ↑

Well I hope it's F/A we need to loose some F/A's to get F/A's if we can pu a F/A or 2 before the draft it could make drafting a bit easier
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Your post sounds more like this guy:

thank Bugs.

Jet Blue · Feb 26, 2010

Cakes said: ↑

I had Gladys Gholston pegged as a future NFL turd this time two years ago, but even I thought he would have at least stumbled his way to even one measly coverage sack by now.
It is simply amazing that a guy drafted to sack quarterbacks has zero sacks after two seasons.
I know Carl Barzilauskas, Mike Haight, and Blair Thomas, among others, were considered big Jets busts, but Gholston will be #1 on that list for me if he has another turd year in 2010.

Remember, until he gets a sack his name is Gladys Gholston.
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Meh.

I shouted as loud as anyone from the mountain tops to be wary of Gholston...

Yeah. it sucks.

That said, I'm still 1000x more ticked off about Dewayne Robertson - Given the circumstances that Bradway stated he wanted to make a splash after the RedSkins made him look foolish... (are you kidding me - is that how a GM should operate?????)
And given that Drob was a guy that few draftniks projected anywhere near that pick before the combine....

Gholston actually had decent numbers - Gholston had his college coach singing his praises and deflecting the criticism of taking plays off - Gholston was on every single Draft Site as a top 10 consideration....

Gholston also had to change positions unlike DSLOB.

Icing on the cake - DROB cost TWO FREAKING DRAFT PICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing can really touch Drob in my book until you pony up 2 1st round picks for some Combine Climber few expertes discussed during the season that high.

Oh.. And I forgot 1 thing... The Drob draft was LOADED with D tackle prospects...

zombo · Feb 26, 2010

Cakes said: ↑

I had Gladys Gholston pegged as a future NFL turd this time two years ago, but even I thought he would have at least stumbled his way to even one measly coverage sack by now.
It is simply amazing that a guy drafted to sack quarterbacks has zero sacks after two seasons.
I know Carl Barzilauskas, Mike Haight, and Blair Thomas, among others, were considered big Jets busts, but Gholston will be #1 on that list for me if he has another turd year in 2010.

Remember, until he gets a sack his name is Gladys Gholston.
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why not velma or verna?

zombo · Feb 26, 2010

MrElectric29 said: ↑

Kerry Rhodes and Thomas Jones. The difference between the two is Rhodes has trade value.
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how does jones help the future cap situation if he would be a fa after 2010 anyway?

brothermoose · Feb 26, 2010

So I recently emailed Jason from Jetscap.com to ask for his reasoning as he seems to be the only one who feels cutting Gholston could come back to haunt us with dead money in the future.

The real answer seems to still be a wait and see, though I can't see the advantage to the owners or the players in forwarding dead money past 2010 as it takes away from owners' ability to negotiate and the money players would receive.

My email :

As a fellow Jets fan I appreciate all the work you have done in putting
together the site and information contained therein. Many fellow Jets
fans and I use it often as a great reference tool when discussing all
things Jets on theganggreen.com and I thank you for that.
You have recently chimed in on a subject of much debate in your January
27th article concerning the ramifications of cutting Vernon "The Ghost"
Gholston in the uncapped year. From all indications I have been able to
gather, we can indeed cut him and have all bonus and non-guaranteed salary
count toward the uncapped year.
The best sources I have found so far are in an article by NFL.com's Steve
Wyche found here:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816763fb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
and a blog by Eric Allen on the team's official site found here:
http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/1508-prospect-of-an-uncapped-2010-now-looms
both unequivocally stating that we can indeed cut Gholston and be rid of
all the cap monies. Unfortunately, Allen also quotes Tannenbaum as saying
that we are keeping Gholston this year in the same article.
Do you have any better links or sources that support your stance in the
article?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
brothermoose
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Here's his response to my email:

I believe what both articles are referring to is that the Jets would not
deal with any dead cap hit by getting rid of the invisible man in 2010.
They are not really talking about what could happen in 2011. Here is the
pertinent part of the CBA dealing with the acceleration of bonus money:

(ii) Acceleration.
(1) For any player removed from the Team’s roster, or whose Contract is
assigned to another Club via waivers or trade, on or before June 1 in any
League Year prior to the Final Capped Year, or at any time during
the Final Capped Year, any unamortized signing bonus amounts will be
included in Team Salary for such League Year, except that for each League
Year preceding the Final Capped Year, each Club may designate up
to two Player Contracts that, if terminated on or prior to June 1 and if
not renegotiated after the last regular season game of the prior League
Year, shall be treated (except to the extent prescribed by Section
7(d)(iii)
below) as if terminated on June 2, i.e., the Salary Cap charge for each
such contract will remain in the Club’s Team Salary until June 2, at which
time its Paragraph 5 Salary and any unearned LTBE incentives will no
longer be counted and any unamortized signing bonus will be treated as set
forth in Subsection (2) below. If acceleration puts a Team over the Salary
Cap, the Team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap,
but may not sign any players until there is Room to do so under the Salary
Cap.

The key part to read there is right at the beginning of the subsection
where it specifically states that acceleration occurs in any league year
prior to or during the final capped year. We are now beyond those years
and into what the NFL calls "the final league year", so acceleration does
not apply and future money remains on the books. If it accelerated, "final
capped year" would have been replaced by the phrase "final league year".

Does that mean that the Jets would have to pay in 2011 for Gholston if
they cut him in 2010? That is all dependent on what they do in a new CBA.

This is a topic I am pretty confident on and have gotten the opinion of a
few folks on it that concur with me on the subject. That said the league
is really just informing teams and everyone else about the rules so there
are things changing. For example the issues about extending current
players was recently clarified to the teams and agents as not really being
as easy to do as originally thought. Revis, for example, whose agents
wanted a new deal and the Jets reportedly wanted to extend as well as
recently as a week before the Super Bowl found out they wont likely be
able to reach an agreement because of some restrictions.

Anyway, if I hear anything else on the subject Ill put it up on the site.

Hope that helps a little.

Jason
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Wonder who his "sources" are, but they gotta be better than ours considering the depth of information his website covers.

Cakes · Feb 26, 2010

zombo said: ↑

why not velma or verna?
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I came up with the Gladys moniker based on something from a skit on the Letterdude show.

KBJET · Feb 27, 2010

Vernon Gholston-LB-Jets Feb. 27 - 12:09 pm et

Coach Rex Ryan called this year a make-or-break season for OLB Vernon Gholston.
Ryan added that Gholston deserved more playing time to give him a chance to make an impression. It sounds like the former No. 6 overall pick is in no danger of being released before the start of the season.
Source: Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

Doesn't look like Gholstons going anywhere this year, but I wouldnt be surprised if they try and renegotiate his contract. With all the money he's making, something needs to be done.

gustoonarmy · Feb 27, 2010

KBJET said: ↑

Vernon Gholston-LB-Jets Feb. 27 - 12:09 pm et

Coach Rex Ryan called this year a make-or-break season for OLB Vernon Gholston.
Ryan added that Gholston deserved more playing time to give him a chance to make an impression. It sounds like the former No. 6 overall pick is in no danger of being released before the start of the season.
Source: Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

Doesn't look like Gholstons going anywhere this year, but I wouldnt be surprised if they try and renegotiate his contract. With all the money he's making, something needs to be done.
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Not that it will happen, but performance related.

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