NC gotta think bigger picture We probably wouldnt be very good with a new head coach either next season Just continue to add good pieces and Bowles will either sink or swim next season with no excuses He obviously knows football he just seems overwhelmed and stubborn as a head coach...either greatly improve or he's definitely gone after year 3
Are you trying to simply outdo your previous nonsensical position? This is what is known as an argument to the extreme. Yes, maybe the greatest QB of all time could win with the Jets (of course you would have to ignore the fact that our defense was atrocious and I'm not sure what Brady would do about that), but if your argument depends on the extreme of requiring the greatest QB of all time to prove it then it's a logically flawed position. How about you argue a good QB that would win with this team and defense, not the greatest of all time.
Ask Nick Saban why he hits the recruiting trail. He know that talent wins. He didn't have it with Miami. There are good and average coaches in the NFL but talent wins. Every playoff team has an above average QB. Without one you have no chance to go far. Some coaches are better organizers and run a better program but without talent they have no chance.
Yep. Fitzpatrick is one of those veterans that shouldn't have any place on the 2017 Jets. If he had displayed any semblance of leadership during this season, then maybe, in a backup role, but given that that wasn't the case, there's no reason to bring him back.
8-8 would be a gut-wrenching horrible result next season. It would mean the Jet's orbit from mediocrity to terrible and back is still in full motion. 2-14 or 12-4. Nothing in-between.
Of course you need talented players, nobody has said otherwise. You are the one that has argued the coach is irrelevant which you have yet to defend. Not to mention a second logical fallacy on your part -- false comparison. Comparing Saban in the pros to college, as if everything else is equal between pros and college is ludicrous.
I don't, and I don't think I'm alone. Help us out here - what do you understand that is escaping so many of us? What do you see as promising that is invisible to the rest of us?
If the Jets go full out youth movement, get way under the cap, Hack looks a like a franchise QB, and the team goes 8-8, I'd be alright with that.
Ok, so the .1% chance to happen scenario might be ok. The scenario we're likely to get is the Jets signing a veteran QB from somewhere, signing at least one older free agent on the offensive line, signing a veteran TE (Gailey is going to be toast most likely) to compete with ASJ and the others and signing a veteran CB to bolster the defensive backfield. The draft is going to be the same crap we have watched for 8 years running at this point. Hopefully they will take a tackle in the 1st round before they get all hopey on the prospects in the back 5 (no 4th round pick this year because we had to get all hopey about Shell last year in the 5th). Out of that maybe the Jets get to 8-8 but 2018 then looks like another down year with more vets dropping out at that point. Who is the Jets best offensive lineman? Nick Mangold, who would probably be back in that scenario. Brian Winters will be a free agent and the Jets will have to spend heavily to retain him, just like they would have had to spend heavily to keep Snacks. Who are the Jets best backs? Matt Forte is over 30 and Bilal Powell will be 29 in October. Who are the best receivers? Eric Decker is 30 in March. Brandon Marshall will likely be gone in the purge. Quincy Enunwa is an H-back but a good one. Robbie Anderson is ok but nothing special so far. The rest are all completely developmental at this point. On defense you just have a disaster area once you get past the defensive line and with Sheldon Richardson a likely trade at a huge discount even the line isn't going to be an overwhelming strength the way it was when the Jets had Mo Wilk, Snacks, Richardson and Leo Williams as the topper. Seriously, 8-8 is very possible next year but most of the scenarios that get us there are ones that mean bupkus for 2018 and beyond.
I've been saying for the past few weeks that I would have preferred Bowles got fired but I understand why Woody didn't. Whether its legitimate or not, there is a stigma in the NFL around firing coaches after 2 seasons. Most people frown on it because of 2 reasons 1) It is usually said that coaches and GM's need 3 years to do anything and 2) because it drives possible suitors away because it gives off a bad impression that yu can fire people so quickly. Do I agree with those 2 reasons, no because I think Bowles actually regressed as a coach but I think that's possibly what Woody is thinking. I think Bowles and Macc probably have 1 more season to fix this mess or they'll both be axed. I think that Woody did not want to let go one over the other, and probably views them as being tied at the hip. Regardless, I am just trying to be optimistic and keep an open mind. A lot is yet to be unknown and is highly dependent on who gets fired, what players get cut and traded, and what players get drafted and signed in free agency.
From your lips to Gods ears... I wanna see them break it all down. And I'm still holding out hope that they're holding an ace in the hole with Hackenstein. If indeed Hack can't play I want to see it with my own eyes on the fuckin field next year. I'm rooting for him.... hard
I don't know where this premise of "It is usually said..." comes from and I don't know that it drives possible suitors away so I can't agree with your line of reasoning. I was hoping at least that you had found that still-glowing ember of light and heat within Bowles that you believed could be rekindled into a conflagration but you apparently haven't. Don't feel bad, I haven't found a single poster here who has been able to demonstrate a positive, they're just trying, as you have, to avoid another negative
It's truly hard given Bowles' regression. As for my reasoning, those 2 reasons I gave are held by many across the league. Bowles still doesn't know how to use timeouts, not generally good at challenges, horrible half time adjustments, hitched his wagon to veteran players for far too long, and lastly preaches accountability and does nothing to enforce accountability. I am hopefully he and Maccagnan look themselves in the mirror and recognize that unless they both improve they will be without a job this time next season.
It's not something to be sourced, its something that is discussed by many. Has been mentioned throughout a ton of articles. The best example I can think of is the Browns and when they had to sign Mike Pettine as HC. The reason they had to sign him was because all of the candidates they wanted did not want to take the job given how bad the Browns are structured, the roster, and because Browns ownership is known to be trigger happy in firing GM/HC. Like I said, do i think it's true 100% of the time, no, but some people do believe that owners that fire GM/HC's quick are less desirable to work for. Edit: I found some articles http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-coaching-changes-arent-best-way-for-teams/ http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/4/10691144/nfl-black-monday-coach-firing-rumors
