I ment to say touchdown because that's when break away speed comes into play, obviously he has had a couple of plays of over 20 yards. 99percent of skills players in the NFL has atleast one play of more then 20 yards. He has good quickness and good change of direction, but he doesn't have break away speed. He got caught from behind on the screen play and he doesn't have the speed to take the option play from brad to the house that went for 50 yards this season. That option run was one of two plays that went for 20 yards for Leon. In two full NFL season and 283 attempts he only has 6 plays of 20 yards or longer. Not touch downs, plays. A guy with brake way speed has 3 or 4 times as many plays of 20 yards in that many attempts. A player with break away speed has that more touchdowns of 20 yards then Leon has of plays in 280 attempts. LW is a very good scat back, but he is not a threat to take it to the house on every play. He does not have break away speed, he doesn't have an high enough gear to destroy pursuit angles. Which is why he has 3 TDs in 53 Kick return attempts, which is very good. 0 TDs in 33 attempts as a punt returner. He can't out run unblocked players because he doesn't have break away speed.
Westbrook had nagging injuries all last season and he still went for 30 yards three times. I consider that a handful of times. I also meant to say Touch Downs, because again how many player in the NFL don't have one play over 20 yards. I would guess most Quarterbacks have at least one scramble that went for 20 yards. Who cares what Westbrook was clocked at coming out of school, threw his first 209 attempts/2 seasons he had 2 tds of 30 yards and 3 times as many plays that went for 20 or more yards compared to Leon and his 283 attempts. Why should I care about their 40's, if a guy runs a 3 second forty and can't produce more then a few plays of 20 yards, he isn't a game breaker. Makes sense Eh??? So I would say when what actually occurs differs from what is perceived, that is what is called misjudgment. LOL, the homerism is very strong with Washington. He is a nice back, that's all.
Statements such as those ring so ridiculous to me. What, are we all supposed to say he's cr*p? How can you not love guys that merit it on the team you're a fan of? He's an exciting guy to watch. Get over it. And the entire 'homerism' thing has never made sense to me. Of course I'm going to favor guys on our team. If you don't, there's something wrong with that.
Who sid washington was any more than a nice back? Not I. You've claimed he does not have breakaway speed. A foolish claim at best. Washing has proven he can make plays in space. Is He Brian westbrook? Nope, and I never claimed he was. I was simply pointing out that the speed difference you claim was there is not. There is more to to football than speed as you pointed out. If breakaway speed was all it took Johnny "Lam" Jones would have been one of the best ever. We all know how that worked out. You claim you don't care about 40 times. Yet your here to argue the speed of players. Clocked times is is one indicator of how fast you are. In a flat out sprint there is not much, if any difference between Leon and Westbrook. Yet you claim there is an "extra gear" there for Brian. Extra talent? Sure. Better supporting cast? Yea. More speed? I don't see it and many others do not. You claimed at "Least" a handfull of times in HALF a season. Now your claiming 3 times is a handfull and its OK for a entire season? Your talking completely out of your ass. You have nothing but your idiotic statements to back up your weak argument about Leon lacking speed, which is the basis of the thread. A thread that claims given time and space he can be explosive. So show us some video's where he is caught from behind. Not by a defender that has the angle on him, but one that simply runs him down in a sprint. Lets see something thats even remotely Proof worthy from your side. Or are you content to just run your moth about homerism with out backing it up at all?
Some people will never get it.People should be suspended from the forum for a few weeks if they show a clear lack of intelligence. and high propensity to stupidity.Instead of admitting that he is wrong or saying he "misremembers" he is trying to defend himself.Where I come from, this calls for some dirty slaps.LOL.
This is again...all about jet fans being scared of taking a skill player due to past busts. Well I guess we take D-linemen and O-linemen in the first round for the rest of time. Eventually we'll be blowing teams off the ball, but will struggle to the same ole 8-8 record b/c the fastest guy on the team runs a 5 flat 40.
I agree 150%. Hopefully with Bill Callahan here Leon will see more touches. Tiki barber said that smaller backs really break out in their third year.
Stop accepting mediocrity and have no fear: Draft Mcfadden! I like it, but don't think he's our guy My beef... now that everyone is bigger, faster and stonger at the next level you expect him to stay healthy in the NFL? He's all upper body and tiny legs, legs that are going to take a beating in the NFL. It seemed to me that against the better teams, he put the ball on the carpet an awful lot. He is far from an Adrian Peterson. AP can run inside outside around and over you if the need be. I don't think DMF can, and for anyone to expect him to be like that, it's setting you up for disaster. Draft the best player for the Jets, and I just don't think he's it. We need some weapons, one of the first to admit it... but something doesn't sit right with me about this guy in a Jet uniform. Nothing to do with being scared to draft him because of former busts... thats silly... I just don't think he's going to be that lock of a pro like everyone wants him to be... he's not going to fill the role of savior. Would I welcome him... aboslutely. I do not discount the fact that he can change the game in instant. I do however doubt he will be able to stay healthy, and don't think he's the guy the Jets are going to pick. I'm pretty sure that we'll be trading down if the opportunity presents itself or we'll take Rivers or one of the CB's at the 6 spot. I highly doubt that McFadden is there at 6. Highly doubt it. With the amount of money we dolled out this off-season, it's actually a cap friendly idea to get out of the top 10 area, and save a little cash, and start to stockpile some picks to build the roster behind the starters. Rome wasn't built in a day, and it wasn't built with just one brick. I hope we don't go for the splash just to please our unpleasable fan base. Ellis
You shouldn't keep starting your post saying that he doesn't have breakaway speed, because everyone will immediately figure out that the rest of your post is completely useless.
I say he is a nice player because, firstly I do like LW for what he is. But the second reason is, if he is a nice player why the hell would the Jets pass on anybody if all they have is a nice scat back?? Why is Brian Westbrook or Warrick Dunn even being brought up, you have to believe Washington is better then a 3rd down scat back if anybody is even talking about these guys. He isn't close to the amount of 20+ plays, 30yard plus TD's these guys made over their first 280 attempts. Clock times don't indicate whether a player has game breaking speed. I thought most people understood you can train to have a good forty time and not play close to your times in games. This shouldn't be hard to grasp as we have had two 4.3 wide receivers but one isn't considered a deep threat but another was. If you don't see Westbrook is faster then Washington, and you don't believe the stats when they say he is, I don't know what to say. Guy why are getting so caught up on the exact term I used??? What are these jellybeans?? WTF you think is a hand full of TD's??? Leon has zero in two years of 30 yards and Westbrook had 2 in the second half of last season, you think it's easy to score from 30 yards out? Ok I meant to say a couple, because obliviously 2 or 3(2006 season) FUCKING 30 yard TD's isn't a handful in your book. And I ain't finding shit, I've watched every JET game, and the stats back up he does not have break away speed with the lack of 20 yard plays he makes. Leon only having 6 out of 280 attempts means he is not a game breaker. I don't care if he ran 2 second forty, apparently it takes him too to get to his top speed if has a 6 plays of 20 yards over 283 attempts. Having zero TD's in 28e attempts that were longer then 30 yards also backs up what I see on the feild. And if you noticed Ive been saying 20 yards for Washington and 30 yards for Westbrook, because Westbrook is a guy with game breaking speed. TD's that are of 20 yards aren't anything to a gamebreaker. Washington has 1 I believe in 283 attempts. He gets caught from behind often and he definitely does not have the high gear to beat a player that has an angle on him. Last time I checked, Explosive players have to beat atleast one player that has a pursuit angle on them to score from 30 plus yards. That's why LW isn't a reason to ever, ever, ever, ever, ever pass on Mcfadden. GTF outta here with that.
I could make a smart ass reply, but I'd rather say that the stats backup the fact Leon Washington doesn't have game breaking speed. *GASP* LOL, it's like Bloody Marie Leon Washington doesn't have game breaking speed Leon Washington doesn't have game breaking speed Leon Washington doesn't have game breaking speed Leon Washington doesn't have game breaking speed Leon Washington doesn't have game breaking speed
Instead of arguing with an idiot and letting you bring me down to your level and beat me with experince, I'll just drop it. Its obvious you are not going to do anything but run your mouth with nothing to back up your claims. Your bending what you say to support you silly claims. I expect that out of my 5 year old, but your taking it to a whole new level. Are you in politics? Your sure full of enough shit to be good at it. .....and when did i say pass on Dmac because of Leon? Never. I have said I don't feel RB is a great area of need, but never claimed we should pass because of Leon. Another nice attempt to twist your stupid statment, of Leon does not have break away speed, into a different fight. That facts are Leon is fast, you are a moron, and your acting like a child. Have a nice day!
l. washington is a playmaker but not an every down playmaker, mcfadden has what it takes to be an every down playmaker
I can respect the take that he has skinny legs and maybe an injury risk. W/ that said, I actually think his playing style makes him LESS of an injury risk b/c he'll be avoiding so much head on contact w/ his speed/agility. That's just a difference in opinion I suppose.Not to meention the skinny legs can be corrected w/ a good year in the weight room on thee leg press. I don't think he is a LOCK for stardom or any kind of savior. I don't believe in savior's in football unless it's at the QB position. But what i do think is that he brings an element to this team that we havent had in sometime, and that he very well maybe the best player available when we're on the board. That's what i'm interested in. us taking the best player available. My signature may make it seem like im a dmac homer..but i'm really a BPA homer. I'm just alil annoyed by individuals that adamantly oppose the notion of us EVER taking a skill player in round 1. Those people have chosen DMAC as their 2008 punching bag.
I hope you don't vote, because if you getting caught on whether or not 2-3 Td's wows you enough to make you believe I should be in politics is pretty sad. LOL And stupid, I can make a statement in my post and it not be directed at you.
Isnt Leon a poor mans reggie bush? If reggie cant or has yet to prove to be a full time back it would be a huge oversight to think or assume Leon can do this. New Orleans had the same issues trying to get bush and mcallister going last year which is our equivelant of T Jones and Leon. The answer lies is creative play calling where Leon is lined up in the backfield, at wide out, on the line you name it. Bring in Brad Smith on these same plays and you will really f with the defense... Using Leon in this role will also allow him to continue to return kicks. I want to see T Jones average 23 - 25 carries a game this year. We need to use the same formula as the Giants did using Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, R Droughs and the other castoffs that carried the rock to the super bowl last year. So to answer the question, I would not go DMAC at 6 if he is available. I would take Gholston if he is there. Otherwise, trade down and get one of the two top CB's and then a stud WR with the additional No 2 pick we get from trading down.
Actually, I'd say I've been more impressed by Leon than I have been by Bush, though Bush has the value of being a good WR....I think Leon is the better pure RB.
Football speed is not straight ahead speed. It is the instant up to speed change of direction, well deployed by taking advantage of the pursuit and blocking angles on the field. Westbrook and Leon take magnificent advantage of what is given to them. Westbrook is better at it soo far. But Leon's team is improving this year (I am betting) and he will also improve. I think it was very illuminating when Tiki Barber explained that he came into the NFL as a "scat back" with 4.3 speed, and learned to change the way he ran to (a) run "big", and (b) take advantage of the angles on the field. He said it made him a much better RB to look at the NFL playing field as if it were a pool table.
Well, Leon is just focused on chasing jackrabbits, whereas Reggie was always chasing USC cheerleaders...!
Anji, you want to talk about breakaway speed, you have to look at a guy like Bo. But he was an animal, too, not just a fast guy. Oh my goodness, if Bo had only not gotten hurt...
