Context is everything. It's not that Idzik spent money, it's that he spent money on a jerkoff. Yeah we want Idzik to make moves, but is it too much to ask to make smart moves?
Yeah, and you don't see me saying the Jets cap situation is screwed because of this deal or anything like that. But just because you have a lot of cap space doesn't mean you shouldn't try and spend it as wisely as possible still. $17.6M for Percy Harvin does not strike me as "as wisely as possible" by any means. And I'm not even one of the people who is hating on him calling him a cancer, saying he's on the decline because of his production, saying he's never had a 1000 yard receiving season, etc. I think the cancer stuff is very overblown and his production issues were far more on SEA than Harvin. I genuinely like Harvin a lot as a player. Still doesn't mean he's worth even close to $17.6M in cap space, though. That's just an enormous number.
No money for next season unless the Jets decide to pay him full salary or they negotiate a new deal. The way I understand it the 7 mil is for this year but I could be wrong. Not sure what the cap hit is if the Jets cut him after this year. Or does that go to the Seahawks. Anyways some people you can never please. There isn't one player in he NFL who is not a risk. And that includes Russell Wilson.
If Rex stays I could see Snacks and Demario Davis getting extensions this offseason as well, and since both have 2015 cap hits under $1 million that will scoop up some space as well. We have to potential to go after both Bryron Maxwell and maybe Mike Iupati as well, both good young players. If we did this we would have big money at 4 positions divided through each level of the defense, and big money players at a couple WR positions and OL positions. D'brick will probably get released after 2015 so we'll only have 2 well payed O-line in the future. I'd like to go OT in the first, WR in the second, ILB in the 3rd, and hopefully Harvin has played so well he's become worth that 4th rounder.
That 7 mill was going to be rolled over into next year which was the master plan according to those who pretend to know the inner workings of the front office. Now they are shoehorning this move to fit into the same master plan because they don't want to look wrong on a message board. Funny times we live in
You can roll over cap space in the NFL under the new CBA. So the $20M+ the Jets had in unused cap space will still be available to them next year. As a result, the $7M used on this year's cap will now no longer be available to them next year. You won't have any cap hit if you cut him, though. But cutting him would mean you wasted $7M in cap space on a player to play for you in a season you are 1-6 in. So that's a really bad scenario. More likely scenario is you keep him, and he's owed $10.5M next year. Throw in the $7.1M in cap space you are spending on him this year that could've been rolled over to your '15 cap and that's how you come to the $17.6M figure I've been using.
Funny, you can say the exact same who bitched about Idzik not spending money on another WR this offseason. Now all of a sudden he's an idiot for spending money on another WR.
Exactly, everything is agenda driven. The Dolphins fan wants this move to fail, so he looks at it through the prism of it being a desperation move. Fans who dislike Idzik will criticize him for not spending money, then criticize him for this. And other homerish fans will praise Idzik for whatever he does because he's the Jets GM. Perspective largely depends on agenda. Fact is, the Jets were going to have to spend money this offseason on a wide receiver. Jets rolled over cap space to next season so they could sign a big offensive weapon at receiver. Percy Harvin became available, and the Jets decided that he was the player they wanted to spend the money on. Not sure what the problem is?
I'm sure there are those people but I'm guessing if they wanted that money spent they wanted it spent on a WR or CB before the season was already in the shitter. When you are 1-6 you might as well roll the money over and try to splurge on Dez Bryant next year.
No guarantee Dez or Demaryius becomes available. And after those two, Harvin is as good as anybody, and you don't have to guarantee any money.
Haha take potshots at me all you want. I have a pretty good reputation of being an unbiased poster. I'm not some moron Phins fan with glazed over eyes who thinks that my analysis of a trade being desperate or wanting it to be a failure has any bearing on it actually becoming a failure in real life. I made my points. Your post does very little at countering what I had to say so I'd say you're the one with the agenda, not me.
You don't have to guarantee money other than the money you will be paying him that season. And if he plays well enough this year that you decide to keep him and his 10 mill for next year, you think he is really going to want to go forward with no guaranteed money?
From an outsider's perspective, spending money on a receiver at this point at 1-6 seems like a desperate move. I understand that. And who knows, it very well could be. My point is that the Jets were going to spend money on next year's roster. They saw an opportunity now to add to next year's team and they did just that. Harvin might not have been available in the offseason, or even next week if Seattle traded him elsewhere. As for my other point, that wasn't even a pot shot. I'm just saying a lot of fans play it both ways. Fans who dislike Idzik for not spending money on a receiver are now criticizing him for spending money on a receiver. And sure, some fans who were all about cap space are now saying it's a good idea to spend money. But I look at this as spending money on next year's roster, not necessarily this year's. I just threw you in there to show another perspective of the trade: the outsider who is not a Jets fan and doesn't want them to succeed. You're certainly entitled to the opinion that this is a desperation move, and you may be right, but at the same time, I don't expect you to come here and be singing the Jets' praises for this move.
Look, everyone accused Idzik of being only a bean counter. And then when he finally does something and takes a chance his critics either say he has an ulterior motive or he's wasting the same cap space they were criticizing him for not using in the first place. Sounds like politics to me.
Are you saying he'd hold out for the season? Because if the Jets don't want to give him a long-term deal, they don't have to, and he likely wouldn't be making $10 million a year in that new contract, even if it weren't guaranteed. He might be frustrated about it, but it's unlikely that he would hold out long enough for it to be a real issue. And if it really became that big of an issue, they could cut him and only lose some rollover money and a late draft pick.
Alright well if it is a move purely for next year then thats 17mill out of next year's money for a guy who is injury prone and supposedly was having problems getting along on a winning team. Obviously he is an electric player but he also has never crossed the 1000 yd receiving mark and has a total of 30 TDs in his 6 year injury plagued career. I would be excited as hell if my team had landed him but I feel like it would be very risky too.
So if everything improves and we win 5 more games out of 9, what did we accomplish? This trade was stupid. If we were 3-3, it would have made a lot more sense. Instead of J-E-T-S it will be M-A-S-H.
