jerricho cotchery on the fan 1-5-2012

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  1. Braylon4ever

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    So someone calling you "genius" is considered name-calling? okay then. :rolleyes:


    As far as Braylon goes, I saw how effective the team was prior to Holmes returning from his 4-game suspension(you remember that, don't you?). The team was actually in a rhythm offensively but once Holmes came back, it took quite awhile for things to get back the way they were in order integrate this primadonna into the offense.

    But that's besides the point. The offense was doing FINE without Holmes whereas this year without Braylon(but with Holmes) we see just how ineffective the passing game is without a Deep Threat being there like last year.





    I'm basing this on what I saw last season just prior to Holmes returning from a 4-game suspension and comparing that to this entire season. Now maybe 4-games is not big enough of a sample size but it WAS Working and it would've, IMO, continued to work had we not have traded for the Malcontent. Contrast that with what we've seen this year and it was so painfully obvious how much Sanchez missed having Braylon to throw to.
     
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  2. Harpua

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    In the way you used it, yes you were absolutely trying to insult me in a very juvenile manner.

    As for the offense with Bray, yes we have a few good games and one real stinker.

    Once Holmes was added, we put up 23 or better in 5 of the next 6. So how exactly did he fuck up the offense? Where is this great drop off you speak of?

    Yes our deep game was bad this year and that, along with run blocking, are the only positive attributes Edwards brings. Do you think having a Prima Doona, late night party boy would have made the locker room better?Why was our Red Zone offense was way up without him? Why did the staff seem more than willing to replace him? Why would the Niners cut him wehn they had already paid his full season salary?
     
  3. displacedfan

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    Sanchez missed Braylon no doubt, but to think Braylon alone with Plax would solve offensive problems is incorrect in my opinion. Braylon and Holmes are the ideal combination. Neither are a strong 1 receiver, but together they are great. Holmes underneath causes safeties to bite on a pump fake there leaving Braylon one on one with a corner and Braylon going deep leaves the holes for Holmes underneath. They play off each other effectively if used correctly.
     
  4. Braylon4ever

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    Oh okay. I apologize then for insulting you in such a juvenile manner then. :(

    As I stated to displacefan, 4 games without Holmes maybe isn't a big enough sample-size but I believe(it's just my opinion) that the offense would've been pretty solid had we not traded for Holmes.

    Holmes was good for underneath routes but that's nothing that Keller or Cotch couldn't do....

    He's a Primadonna?

    I think you're mistaking him for HOLMES.

    The Red Zone offense was up because of Plax. However, the team had a hell of time trying to get to the Red Zone because they lacked the Deep Threat and Plax is slow as shit.

    If by "staff", you mean TANNY, he thought Holmes was better than he was. Plain and simple. And now he must fix the situation.

    And the Niners cut him because he was INJURED and couldn't contribute *and* since he was only signed for that year(and wouldn't be able to live up to any of his incentives), they let him go. If you're suggesting that it was because of anything else other than injury, you're wrong.
     
  5. sg3

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    has he quit on the Steelers now, also??
     
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    Holmes and Braylon complimented each other well. I wish we had signed both instead of Cromartie or eric smith. It still wouldn't have fixed our oline problems, however. This is number 1 concern this off season. Schotty = #2.
     
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  7. Harpua

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    Even with the injury, why cut him now? He had been playing, but not producing. The Money was already paid. If he had anytype of team leadship they would have kept him around, but Edwards is not a leader, and in my eye, not a good person to have around. All of his past troubles up to and including last summer prove it.

    Saying That Keller and Cotch brings to an offense what holmes does is flat out silly. Holmes, when actually trying, has much more explosiveness. It was evident in the several big plays he made late in games in 2010 that help up win and get to the playoff. How quickly one forgets.

    By staff, I mean our coaching staff. Go back and watch hard knocks and how both Rex and Shotty gush over Holmes skills when they get him on the pratice feild. Rex has often said its the big play ability of Holmes that cost him a SB ring with the Ravens.

    .... and yes, Edwards is a prima donna. He thinks he's above the law. Bitching about getting the DUI because of his tinted windows and ignoring the fact that we was almost double the legal limit. They lying about attending Jets west on twitter. Despite his legal troubles, still hanging around the thugs who started the bar fight in Michigan. The guy is troubled. Not cliaming our mess is perfect now, but pointing out that Edwards is just as mcuh trouble.
     
  8. brothermoose

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    Prima donna he may be, but at least he's not a cancer. He went hard on every play, did what was asked of him, and never appeared to have a problem with his fellow teammates or the coaching staff.

    Braylon's character flaws might make him a bad citizen, but they didn't seem to carry over to the field. Holmes's flaws OTOH were DIRECTLY detrimental to the team.

    I don't want boy scouts, I want good football players and teammates. Braylon fits that bill, Holmes doesn't.
     
  9. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Good post. Spot on.
     
  10. Harpua

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    I agree that Holmes attitude at the end of this season was awful. It was a very public display of exactly what you do not want from a teammate. If behind closed doors Edwards was not a problem and holes was then we would not have made the choice we did this past offseason. This is something that came up this year.

    If Edwards was not seen as a problem at all why did we not try harder to bring him back? Why was Cleveland so quick to be rid of him when they lacked depth at wideout? Why did the niners not keep him around for the playoff run? It all looks to me as if more than just one set of GM's and coaches found good reasons to not keep him employed.

    Do you really think that someone selfish enough to be out late, drunk driving, in the middle of the season, is going to be a perfect citizen in meetings and practice during the week? Everything about him screams diva receiver, not solid teammate.
     
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    great idea

    lets cut our best receiver and bring back a worse character who was a complete failure after the Jets let him go


    great idea
     
  12. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    They have a chance to correct their mistake. Let's see if it happens.
     
  13. Braylon4ever

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    I'd rather have a worse character OFF THE FIELD than have one ON the field.

    And a complete failure does not equate to being INJURED and not even getting a shot at getting integrated into the Niners offense. I'm sorry but after his preseason injury, Braylon didn't have a chance.




    And I have said that Tanny got blinded by the bling-bling of Holmes SuperBowl ring and signed him to #1 Receiver money based on THAT instead of his actual ability and that is of a very solid #2 Receiver which is all he ever was.

    That's the "choice" they made. I don't think Holmes would even be here if he didn't have his SuperBowl ring and MVP notoriety to back him up, tbh.

    1st Question : Because he wanted to be as overpaid as Holmes it seems. Then even after he lowered his demands to more reasonable terms, he STILL got the shaft from Tanny who probably believed that having just Holmes is enough when it really wasn't.

    2nd Question : Because Cleveland is a Franchise of SUCK currently and, aside from one year with some guy named Derek Anderson, NONE of its QBs have been able to utilize Braylon as the weapon he should be.

    Braylon was basically doing friggin' CARTWHEELS to be able to leave that place and come here.

    3rd Question : I already said that the man had not fully recovered from his knee issue(he did have surgery on it) and wouldn't be able to contribute in any way in the postseason. I'm sure this was a Mutual agreement between Braylon and Harbaugh for his release, tbh. Yeah...Braylon could've just rode the pine but all he would've been doing was taking up a roster space that could be now used for someone who isn't hurt and is able to contribute.

    It really was more of a case of NEED that this happened.

    He was actually coming back from a JETS CHARITY EVENT(you make it sound like he was coming back from a friggin' dance club) with 2 other Jets players but I digress...


    Diva or no Diva,

    I don't remember him QUITTING on the field like Holmes did.

    I don't remember him throwing teammates under the bus like Holmes did.

    I don't remember him almost getting into a fistfight with one of his own teammates during play on National Television like Holmes did.

    I don't remember him reportedly blowing off Mark Sanchez in player's meetings and moping around his locker with a spoiled-brat woe-is-me attitude like Holmes did.



    You see what I'm getting at here?

    I never said that Braylon Edwards was a friggin' Saint. Of course he's a Knucklehead in his own right but at least ON the field, you knew he was going to bring it 110% with NO DRAMA whatsoever.

    Combine that with his excellent chemistry that he has with Mark and you can see why the JETS need him back in the worst way.
     
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  14. brothermoose

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    We acquired Holmes from the Steelers for a song and dance during the whole Rapelisberger controversy. Speculation at the time was that it was for PR control, but we can now clearly see that it was his lack of being a team player that did him in. If character was the issue, then that rapist piece of shit would have been the first to go.

    This is not to say that Braylon can't be a distraction, but what good wideout isn't? Its the nature of the position. When measured on that scale, Braylon is still the better choice. Do you remember how much just presence on the field opened up the run game? Regardless of catches made, he was a great fit on our team.
     

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