I agree with this. completely. I think you're completely overrating Folk Mr. E. The guy was 18 for 28 last year, that's 30 points he cost his team. From week 10 on, the most important time of the season, he was 4 for 11. Going into the season with Folk as our only option at K would be a mistake and a huge risk IMO.
See Colts AFC Champ game on Feely. Although I agree I trust Feely more than I would Folk at this moment, I think this FO is taking prevantitive measures. Last time a kicker goofed up (though by a much wider margin) in this market, they felt obligated to draft one in the 2nd round. And you never know when a kick will get in a guy's head. Let guys walk before you're stuck with them not producing is what I'm guessing the philosophy is with both Jones and Feely. Stay ahead of the curve.
I'm not overrating Nick Folk at all. It just seems to me that I'm the only person in this thread that realizes that he will be our kicker in 2010. I never said Folk was going to be better or worse than Feely, I just support Nick Folk now because he's a New York Jet. At this point, Folk has a stronger leg and he's inexpensive. I believe money was the biggest factor in this change at the position. People are after Nick Folk because he struggled late in the season because Dallas' prick of an owner was breathing down his neck. We've seen Jerry Jones cause the same struggles in Tony Romo. Like I told dcm earlier in this thread: go look at Neil Rackers' career stats, especially his first three seasons in the league - he struggled horribly. Kickers can turn it around, because if they're in this league, they obviously have the talent to kick the ball far enough. They just have to get their mental issues sorted out. ...and a change like this could be huge for a young player like Nick Folk.
You're proving my point for me. Even the "best" kickers in this league have suffered through bad seasons. It's bound to happen. They're headcases. Nick Folk has the ability to be a great kicker, and he proved that very early in his career. He can turn it around and I think he will.
He was also injured and came back too quickly, which affected his mechanics. He's been working with Chris Sailer, one of the best if not THE best kicking coaches in the country, and by all accounts has fixed the problems that plagued him last year. You can't judge him on his numbers from last year.
If Feeley is gone a number of situations come into play... - They have confidence in Folk and letting Feeley go, just gives us another FA pick-up. - The FO have to take the risk in order to secure another FA. - The FO, are just about to screw up by not resigning Feeley. I'm sure there will be others but to me these are the most likely. Personally I would have liked to have seen Feeley back, but if it means mending the team at another position, then its well played Tanny.
You people need to chill out and realize that we're only going to need this kicker for extra points. Field goals won't be needed next season.
Folk was my fantasy kicker to start last year---don't know who hates him more me or the people who live in Dallas:grin:
The guy has a serious heart issue and you call that "pussing out"? Wow the offseason is rough. Comparing him to Winslow, a TE, is over the top. Winslow wasn't at risk to die.
This is the third time the Jets let a top 20 kicker go and replaced them with a relative unknown or another top 20 guy with about the same numbers. I don't get what we are looking for....I could understand if we replaced a top 20 guy with a top 10 guy, but we never seem to do that.... ....on the other hand, maybe Rex doesn't intend on allowing games to stay close enough that he needs to rely on a kicker to win it for him....... :up:
Feely seemed to be a Rex kinda guy. Letting him go from a playmaker's point of view is a huge mistake. Folk is not gonna run downfeild and hit like Feely. Its one of the reasons we all liked the guy so much. Jay made 30 of 36 during the regular season. I remember 2 out of 3 misses in the Atlanta game were botched. There was a rushed FG attempt in Buffalo, and one other one where the snap was botched or something. That's 30 of 32. Mistake letting him go. Yes I saw the AFCC game. Sometimes you miss a kick in the most inopportune times. The Jets probably would not have won had Feely made the FG's. Its pretty obvious this is all about money. The only thing I can think of is that the Jets are planning a big move up the draft board and need to make room for a bigger signing. Otherwise they are planning on resigning the big guns during the year to longer contracts (DBrick, Mangold, Revis, etc)
What difference does it make what position winslow played? I wasn't comparing the 2, just harkening to a more tough guy era. I don't know why you would care either way, he was garbage. And his heart fluttered up for the first time 10 years after being diagnosed, 10 minutes prior to our first playoff game. I'd say probably onset by nerves, but like I said to mr e, I'll give him a pass, the resulting condition was definitely serious and warranted his absence. I just don't want him on the team. Did you read or jus find the first quotable thing?
No, what you are doing is making a nonsense argument. Did Kellen Winslow have to undergo heart surgery after that game? Just admit it. Your argument makes no sense. What you are doing is harkening back to an era with medical knowledge that is archaic compared to today.
You guys need to wake up. Mr E is right. It's almost certain Folk will be our kicker next year. The reason we'll let Feely go is the same as why if Leon gets an offer from somewhere else he's a goner: it allows us to bring in more talent. If Feely gets a nice contract offer the Jets won't even attempt to match. They'll take that contract's value and make a call to someone like Sharper. If I have the choice between keeping Feely or getting Sharper, I'm taking Sharper. We'll win more games on defense than we will on last second field goals. Just like Leon. If someone takes a risk on him and is willing to sacrifice a second rounder, we're drafting a position of need 3 times in the first two rounds of a very deep draft pool. This is business people. Nothing more, nothing less. I like Feely, but if losing him makes us better, then I wish him luck in Arizona.
Uhh, I never put our punter and Winslow in the same sentence nor have I said he should have toughed it out. Just saying, people put up with lots of shit to play football for a lot less money and I personally admire that. I understand it was serious, I said I'm cool with him not playing. I just think it was onset by nerves considering everything else, which isn't all that cool. That may or not be the case, but he sucks anyway. Not that outlandish, & Ive already said I shouldn't have said he pussed out. Not a big deal
I like Folk he has excellent potential. It wasn't that long ago before he was booming FGs through the uprights at will. In his 3 years he went 26/31, 20/22 and 18/28. Yeah his last year sucked but that was last year. Not only that but beyond 50+ yards, hes 5/9 for his career. I don't understand people saying as of right now Feely is extremely reliable when the game before the super bowl this guy missed 2 FGs in a dome. As mentally strong as he is, that might fuck him up a bit. Kickers come and go unless they are elite. Feely is not.
You really should stop posting trying to make yourself look better. You're not making it better at all. You "think" it was nerves, but his medical records say you're wrong. Medical records > your "thoughts." BTW: He didn't choose not to play. He was kept out of the game. Silly doctor.
