Based off what? Matt Ryan and Cam Newton both went to a SB and lost. Does McNair have a ring? There is 0 correlation between winning a SB and winning the MVP award. Eli Manning has NO MVPs, but has 2 rings with 2 SBMVPs.
In addition to winning MVP, Mahomes led the league in Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt and carried a Chiefs team that was 31st in total defense to the AFC Championship Game despite losing his running back during the season. Which is why he won MVP and the real reason he's incredible. And Elway is glorified over Marino because fans are obsessed with shiny objects.
That's false. A higher percentage of quarterbacks who have won the MVP have won the Super Bowl than quarterbacks who have not won the MVP. Therefore there is a positive correlation between the two variables.
Mahomes had a great year, I do not discredit that one bit. He is going to be a very good QB in this league. I am looking forward to seeing how he plays this year, I think he will regress because it's insanely hard to duplicate what he did last year. However, I do disagree that just because Mahomes won a MVP, does not mean he is more likely to win a SB then Darnold. Not just fans glorify Elway, but the media too.
I personally feel like this discussion needs to be tabled until we see how Darnold looks in year 2. It’s not like Mahomes threw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs as a rookie.
say what now????!!? You need to rethink that bro. of course there's a correlation between winning a SB and winning the MVP award. Good players often win superbowls, that's not exactly a profound statement of mine. There are thousands upon thousands of NFL quarterbacks that weren't MVPs and also didn't win a Super Bowl. Way too long to list on this website. Sam Darnold is one, so is Mark Sanchez, and Geno Smith, etc. etc. probably like 0.001 % or something of "Non-MVP" Quarterbacks went on to win a Super Bowl the MVP award has been around since 1957, 61 winners. Lets say only half have won Superbowls. I have no idea, but 30 seems reasonable. Now were talking 50% of MVPs also won a SB, vs. the 0.001% of "Non-MVPs"
The last QB to win the MVP and then win the SB was Kurt Warner in 1999. Take a look at the # of QBs since then that have won the MVP, how many of them won the SB that year? How many ever win one? Rodgers didn't win a MVP until after he won a SB. Big Ben has never won a MVP. Manning I believe never won a SB in the year he won the MVP. Brady even he suffered from the same fate. Your QB wins the MVP, chances are very low that, that year you will win the SB. So OK, maybe a 5% correlation lol
Check my above post, last time it happened was in 1999, look at the # of QBs that won the award and see how many won the SB that year. The % if anything is very small. So maybe there is a correlation, but barely noticeable. History says, you wont win a SB that year if your QB wins the MVP.
now it has to be the same year? huh? no one has made that claim The last MVP QB to win a SB was Tom Brady, February 2019.
QBs that don't win an MVP have just as much a shot to win it as one who has won it. 12 QBs that won the MVP never won a SB 9 Qbs that won the MVP won a SB Then count the players like Roger Staubach, overrated John Elway, etc there are many more great QBs that never won an MVP that won superbowls. That's why I am saying there is no true correlation. Your chances just don't spike because you won an MVP. What if Brees gets his 2nd ring this year? He's never had an MVP.
Give me any proof that suggests you winning an MVP gives you a higher chance of winning a SB. I have no issue admitting you and @HomeoftheJets are correct (should you have evidence to support your argument), but right now, I don't think you guys are. Not only does this rarely happen in the same season (and when I mean rare, I mean rare), but there are more QBs that won an MVP that never won a SB over a QB that won an MVP but never won a SB. So where is the lie?
I already did man. I thought I laid it out pretty clearly. If you remove repeat winners (Peyton Manning won MVP 5 times) that means that only 21 QBs on planet earth have ever won an NFL MVP to begin with. Patrick Mahomes is one of those 21 men. 9 of them have also won superbowls. That's ~43%. Now, how many men have played QB in the NFL and NOT won an MVP? Hundreds? thousands? idk... I don't get paid to look up and compile every Jack Trudeau or Jeff Blake, or Glenn Foley, etc. but surely that percentage within that group to win a Super Bowl would be far, far less than 43%
Lol 43% cmon now. The initial argument is that, winning the MVP gives you a higher probability of WINNING a SB. Note, I freaking hate math. 52 Superbowls played right? 9 QBs have won the MVP and won the SB History says 17% of QBs that ever played in a SB and won a MVP fits the criteria. That doesn't mean we should take each remaining QB from the superbowl Era and use it in the argument we would have to pick out certain QBs. But it's probably larger then 17
ok then, use 17% lol. Its still 16.99999999% higher than the percentages of non-MVP QBs to win the Super Bowl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_starting_quarterbacks So I did some research, I chose 17 QBs and omitted any backups / horrible QBs ... 17 QBs below never won the MVP, but won a SB Joe Namath Len Dawson Roger Staubach Bob Griese Terry Bradshaw Ken Stabler Jim Plunkett Jim McMahon Phil Simms Troy Aikman Brad Johnson Ben Roethlisberger Eli Manning Drew Brees Russell Wilson Joe Flacco Nick Foles Did not include: Doug Williams (backup) Jeff Hostetler (backup) Trent Dilfer (lol) Mark Rypien (meh) 33% of average QBs that won a SB never won an MVP and the above QBs were average to pretty good. Interesting discussion, but we shall see what the future holds.
why would you omit backup/horrible QBs..????? that's the whole point. Mahomes is an MVP. Sam Darnold could very well be a backup/horrible QB someday. this discussion is getting out of hand
To be honest, me omitting them helped your side of the argument. I include them that's 21 QBs out of the 52 Superbowls (didn't count them twice). That would be 40%, but I wanted to account for average to above average QBs. I agree, everything we are discussing is purely hypothetical / opinionated. Thats why I am saying there is no true correlation. I am absolutely down to stop discussing this lol.
Jamal Adams is EASILY the best player on this team. It was also a GREAT pick. All these yahoos trying to criticize the pick don't know what the he'll they're talking about. It was amazing that Adams even slipped to 6, he should have gone number 1.
Not sure if this is somewhere else on the site, but youtube has a great video of Jamal breaking down film.
