Anyone see Bob Glauber's piece with Brian Baldinger about Vernon Gholston. Baldy kept harping on one particular thing: that Ghiolston has no violence in him, in his actions. It's funny, I noticed it too on a Jets Nation segment in which Rex told Vern to just "go get it" just flat out attack on a practice play and then they show Vern like trotting after it on the backside, I was like, "That's you gettin it?!" It was damning, and now this Baldy story. I don't know, things are looking grim for Mount Vernon. Can you learn violence?
hopefulyl Scott can rub off on him in that dep't. Imagine Gholston's talent w/ the drive and ferocity of Scott?
Yeah. If you get your ass kicked enough you'll get tired of it. Vern has to get mean assuming he has a mean streak, Ryan and Pettine will have to find it. Push his buttons. Call out his mama. Who knows what it will take but Vern has to get nasty with his game. Perhaps if he gets bitch-slapped on national TV and completely embarrassed, that will bring it out. Maybe if his girl gets caught on you tube servicing the entire neighborhood.. :grin:
but that ferocity, isn't that the "dog" that you either have or don't? Also in that incredibly quasi-information-rich article it stated that Mangini made a war room power play to overrule the scouts and pick VG - anyone ever hear that before?
The question is who did the scouts want instead of VG? That is what I am curious about. Baldinger is being stupid about this whole violent aspect, I don't see anything overly violent about David Harris, the guy just produces. I don't care if VG is quiet, he just has to produce.
OK, I'm not convinced with this analogy, so don't kill me for it, but I do welcome criticism of it. Imagine Sanchez goes this year without throwing 1 TD in 15 games, and throws for all of, I don't know, like 500 yards. We'd all be furious, and rightfully so. Then imagine next preseason, he finally throws a TD in the second half of the 4th preseason game. Would we all be rejoicing? Yes, I know, bad analogy on a number of levels (playing time, etc), but you referenced Sanchez so I went with it. I do agree that Sutton/Mangini fucked him, and I will even credit the "he was learning a new position" crowd, but solely when it comes to coverage, I just still see a slower than expected kid who doesn't truly play up to where he should. I still feel like I was sold a false bill of goods. But, like I said in another thread, we will have the first 4 games of the season to truly see what we have in him!
Once again you make the most reasonable Gholston post in a thread. I just posted about this in the Gholston thread the other day. The one thing missing with him is anger. He just needs to get pissed off. He has all the tools, he's just missing that fire that makes him blast a blocker into next week while smelling blood coming from the pocket.
Gholston's performance to date has him on the edge of the "Bust" cliff. That being said, I have no problem giving the guy at least a full season under his belt before we push him off. Even Mario Williams needed a couple of seasons before he blossomed into the player he is today. I just feel right now, there are other players on the team that can contribute and be more effective than da ghost right now, like Westerman.
So Mario Williams gets 2 complete seasons, playing full-time on defense, but Gholston only gets a few plays? If you're going to give Gholston a chance, you actually have to give him a chance.
I agree with giving him a chance, and he will get one with Pace being gone for 4 games. At that point we'll see what he can do. Although, if you look at Mario's stats, year 1, I'm sure he played much better that Gholston did last year...doesn't take much...
because our HC was named mangini? You can't judge how gholston played if he didn't play at all. This year is practically his rookie year. You hate gholston.... we get it.... now shut the hell up already.
This is what amazes me. Yes, he "played" in 15 games in his rookie year, however, how many snaps was he on the field for? He played special teams all year, and had limited chances to play defense. Mario Williams has played every game since he was drafted on defense.
Quite the contrary...I don't hate him. I want him to succeed and help us get to the promise land. But, you guys need to stop sugar-coating his preseason performance...if and when he performs in the regular season, I'll be the first one with pom-poms cheering on da ghost. Until then, you need to calm your ass down.
What the hell is a matter with a lot of posters on this board? You give a constructive critique of Gholston's performance and automatically some posters say that you're down on the guy. We're down on the guy's PERFORMANCE not the guy himself. The point of this game is to win and put the players on the field who give you the best chance to win. If that means Gholston isn't on the field then get over it and move on so the Jets can field a good D. This sounds less about Gholston giving us the best chance to win than it does "Oh Gholston is improving so give him a chance." Fine, he's improving but he is still nowhere close to where he needs to be for our defense to be what we all want it to be. I hope Gholston makes a big improvement in the next few weeks but I don't foresee it happening. In that event Rex better get Westerman a lot more snaps. Right now, Westerman gives us a better Defense.
I say put the best 11 defensive starters on the field, yet even with Pace and Ellis out game one that still would leave Gholston on the bench. Honesty if he didn't have that fat contract he would be waiting for a pink slip. The guy isn't even in the top 22 defensive player on this team and everyone here knows it. I HAVE watched every game and watched close hoping I would be wrong, but everything I see re-affirms that Gholston won't even become a starter in this league.
You can learn violence, without a doubt. It's harder to teach it than for someone to learn it, though. The issue is teaching it.
http://www.newsday.com/columnists/b...gholston-doesn-t-have-what-it-takes-1.1421026 Vernon Gholston lined up at right end, awaited the snap count and swooped in on the quarterback. He fought off the block of the Eagles' left tackle and sacked the quarterback for a 7-yard loss, his first sack of the preseason. OK, so it was a backup left tackle he got around and a backup quarterback he sacked last night. But for the Jets' 2008 first-round pick, at least it was something. "I feel like I'm getting better," Gholston said in a recent interview. "I feel like it's getting there." The Jets need Gholston to get it there in a hurry. After all, he will be the Jets' starting outside linebacker for the first four games while Calvin Pace serves a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing substances. How Gholston does could go a long way toward determining how things go when the games start counting Sept. 13 in Houston. Gholston may be optimistic, but Brian Baldinger has his doubts. In fact, the former NFL offensive lineman thinks Gholston might never achieve the kind of success the Jets envisioned when they took him with the sixth overall pick last year. "I haven't seen one single thing from him," said Baldinger, a commentator for the NFL Network. "There is no violence in him." No violence? Please explain. "You're playing a position that is basically the most aggressive position in football," Baldinger said. "You're paid to attack people, and there's no attack in him. It's the most fun of any position in football. All you have to do is unleash yourself. You look at guys like Joey Porter, James Harrison. They have fun. [Gholston] has zero. There's no attack in him." Baldinger doesn't think much will change, leaving the Jets to lament the fact that Eric Mangini got his way in the draft room by overruling the scouts and fighting for Gholston on draft day. "That move should go on the tombstone of Eric Mangini," Baldinger said. Scorching words, no doubt. But that's the kind of skepticism that Gholston himself has created, and the only way that changes is if he develops the pass-rushing skills of a bona fide outside linebacker. He had a sack in last week's game against the Giants, but his tackle of backup quarterback David Carr was disallowed because of a helmet-to-helmet hit. After last night's sack of Kevin Kolb, Gholston jumped up and celebrated with his teammates. But even that moment of success was muted. In the press box, the announcer said the sack was by No. 50, David Harris. Gholston wears No. 50, Harris No. 52. Clearly, Gholston isn't a household name just yet. He's certainly no Lawrence Taylor, which is what the Jets saw in him when he was coming out of Ohio State. But Gholston simply hasn't shown the relentless pass rush that you want to see in an outside linebacker. He too often fails to fight off blocks and is overpowered when going against big-time offensive linemen. As a rookie last year, he was a complete non-factor. No starts. No sacks. A measly 13 tackles. His inability to develop led some in the Jets' organization to privately criticize Mangini for the move, especially because he pulled a power play on draft day. But Mangini successor Rex Ryan, another defensive-minded coach, thinks there's something there. In time, Ryan believes he can get something out of Gholston. If you ask Baldinger, it's like getting blood from a stone. ---------------------------------------------------------------- there is an innate ability in your make up that either makes you a fighter or not. unless something horrible happens to his personal life that makes him a bitter angry man, he's not going to just become mean all together. That doesn't happen. I know people who are just like Gholston. You can't get them to do shit on a field when it comes to being aggressive and competitive. This was the knock on him in college, and its now the biggest problem that is the main source of why he isn't dominant. He has every physical tool on the planet at his disposal, but its all mental - and that's what upsets me. Its all in his goddmamn head.
