It's going to be a long year both on this board and the field.The offense has two rookies starting at the two important positions on the OL.The TE's are terrible.The RB's are what Bill Parcells calls "hold the fort" players.The WR's are ordinary.The QB situation is a work in progress.The incumbent has the arm strength of a pee wee football QB.The guy brought in from D.C. can't play.Gibbs knew what he was doing with Brunnel over Ramsey The defense will be fine When is the 2007 NFL Draft?
The answer is some where in the middle. Jet fans here have a tendency to be all or nothing. Either they love the player or coach and see no faults or they hate him and see no positives when in relaity it is a mixture of both. I am not happy with a lot of things about Mangini and think he has the potential to a monumental bust on the Kotite proprtions. But there are also many positives about Mangini and he could end up growing into the job and being our coach of the future. Rather than annoint him as the second coming or call him the next Kotite I would rather share in the optimism that a new season brings. I don't go along with the idea that we gutteed our team. Rather we got rid of dead wood. We didn't cut anyone for salary cap reasons. Ferguson even though a rookie is a huge upgrade over Fabini who was possibly the worst left tackle in football this last decade. Abraham is a loss but he was a hit and miss impact player that rarely showed up. It is quite possible that Ellis and will pick his game without Abraham and Thomas will not be a noticeable downgrade with his improved perfomance against the run. The biggest loss might be the loss of Mawae and Curtis' leadership. Mangold looks to be a solid replacement. Our backfield is certainly deep even if it lacks a marguee star. The WR's should be better, the secondary is much improved and I liked the the LB FA pick ups. This is not a bad team. It is very similar to the 2004 team coming off injuries with low expectations. But we don't have as many question marks as we did in 2004 and the team is not as young as 2004. If we get good QB play we could have a good year. But if things go bad things might fall apart quickly. Winning imo is a lot more reliant on confidence than talent. If Chad plays well and they don't ask him to do much we stand a chance to win. If Chad has to win the game for us rather than manage the game well then it could be a long year. But the answer again is somewhere in the middle the team is never as bad as people will say it is ever after a loss and never as good as people say it is when were winning. Just as Mangini is somewhere in the middle. Hopefully he will have a good year. I have been a harsh critic of Mangini but what I find ironic is I will probably end up defending him if the board flipflops and then decides he is the worst coach that ever lived. One thing is for sure whatever this boards opinions of Mangini and everything else is it will always be in the polarized extreme. Either he will be god or he will be the worst. Rather I propose that we just look at him in the middle of someone who does some things well, some things poorly, and is learning his job and we can then look towards the season with guarded optimism.
Who didn't see this thread coming after a PRE-SEASON loss...Just wait until the Jets start like 1-4..."SHOULD OF HIRED MIKE TICE"
Hah I laugh at this thread. As everyone surely knows Kotite isn't human he was made from the blood of thieves and the senue of gluttons in the bowels of hell just to one day coach the Jets and ruin the franchise for three years. Mangini while robotic seems to be human like the rest of us.
The issue is that we have no one on offense that can make a play. Without the threat of someone breaking a run or making a big catch the opposing defense can shove 8 guys in the box. Its no wonder we are seeing dink and dunk. There is no one to stretch the field or keep the opponent honest.
Just for arguement's sake, I've always wondered why Mangini is going to be given a free pass by the same fans who wanted to string up Herm Edwards for flopping with his 2nd string offensive line, 3rd string QB and 3rd string RB because Mangini's team also has poor talent. Don't get me wrong I don't think that we can reasonably criticize Mangini for a sub .500 record this season--I just want to know how that thought process works.
Yes, BS personified. It's is also shamefull that a Jets fan can even imagine that a comparison such as this is warranted. What a waste to even respond to this drivel....
If you want to blame someone BLAME TERRY DUMBWAY--he left us with bad draft picks, bad contracts, and several overpaid underachievers.
Mangini I think the coach will turn the problems around. But, I was a little worried about his view on the mistakes made. I think there are about three kinds of mistakes. Stupid. Flaws in methods. Over enthusiasm. The first could be an ongoing trait of the individual; or, lack of desire. The second is one that should be immediately addressed by practice. And, the third should be one of acknowledging, "not to do that again". But, the lumping that Mangini did after the game may just have been the level of frustration of watching a team play like individuals. It is a team sport. And, I think Mangini recognized they didn't play as one. That does reflect badly on him. So, will the coaching staff be able to address the "playing as a team" problem? Don't know. But, at least Mangini recognized that it exists. And, a verdict of "Bad" coach is definitely not justified.
Now THAT was an excellent retort. We are JETS fans ..... it will take some time, but it will be worth the effort.
I've never seen you post a thought of your own.... Either it's from the majority on the board, or from some media person.
Herm was in his fifth year.... it was the team he and Bradway built. They had no backup center... no backup LT, no backup OG's, and lousy depth overall. Then, Edwards played a seriously injured Martin, and put Pennington back into a game, the same game that he tore up a surgically repaired shoulder reinjured. Why? Because he had no confidence in his backup players, players he has a big influence in putting on the roster. Mangini is in his first year.... that all by itself negates the comparison you try to make here. Mangini has to clean up the mess that Bradway and Edwards left this team in, personell wise, and every other way. What comes as a surprise to me, is that you need to have this explained to you.
It's not so much that I need it explained to me as that I want it explained to me because I highly doubt that many of the tempermental Herm bashers (who are likely soon to be Mangini bashers) can explain it for themselves. I've always had a great deal of respect for you T-bird because you never try to make an arguement that isn't grounded in fact or logic. Unfortunately it's not the same for most fans on this site.
I hear ya henry... it's getting... difficult to be patient around here. I think a lot of these new posters are kids... not that there is anything wrong with being a kid... some are pretty astute, but most of them are wet behind the ears. Others just seem like spammers.... makes the late preseason... pretty ... intolerable.
Mangini was given the job of taking over and cleaning up Herm's mess. Do you really think that will happen over 3 preseason games? If you do, than you have no clue about football. And, if you need more proof of the destruction to a team 1 man can cause, keep an eye on the 06/07 Chiefs.
