No he's not. Not at all. We are using him wrong. Chris Johnson is not built to run between the tackles. He's built for perimeter runs and screens. His speed and agility are what makes him dangerous. He's not washed up, he's being utilized wrong.
Do uou honestly think that the guys running this team aren't utilizing a guy correctly ?? As much as I wanna agree with you I can't seem to comprehend it... Then again we are the Jets lol
Maybe he is washed up but I really hate the way we keep trying to pound him up the A gap like he's Jerome Bettis. Toss left, toss right, screen left, screen right, counter off tackle ... He was top 25 in all-purpose yards each of the last 3 years. That doesn't strike me as someone who is washed up.
False were just not using him right.. Nearly 1,500 yards from scrimmage a season ago isn't washed up. CJ was never washed up im really getting tired of people saying this. Guess its because he set his own bar so high, people are delusional man. Dude is a stat machine
Jets have one of the best between the tackle runners in football. I havent seen the stats, but I'm sure Ivory has a good YPC when running directly up the middle, compared to most running backs. Jets also have one of the best all purpose RB's in the league (even though he is declining a bit). Why not let them both do what they do best. Give Johnson outside runs/pitches/screen passes. Give Ivory the ball to run between between the tackles. Let him beat up and tire down the defense then let CJ exploit that. Giving CJ runs between the tackles is misusing him and wasting Ivory.
I thought Ground and Pound was ld school and the Jets needed to throw more and be more creative? There is no winning with this fan base
This thread is pathetic. Your either blind and/or ignorant if you don't see Geno is a different QB when he has someone to throw the ball to. He has improved steadily. I agree he CURRENTLY makes too many mistakes, I could argue most of his mistakes have happened when he was missing key skill position players. If you watch some of the throws he makes and some of his instinctual movements in the pocket you would know his ceiling is immense. And yet some of you would rather throw in a 34 year old Vick who is even more turnover prone that Geno. Geno is a film junkie and he's motivated to get better. People need to support him and cheer for him. This team needs to stick with Geno for at least the rest of the year. 14Geno Smith, QBNYJPC -65PA-103%63.1YDS-713YPA-6.92 TD-3 I-4 15Aaron Rodgers, QBGBPC-64PA-102%62.7YDS-697YPA-6.83 TD-5I-1 If you want Simms to start, smh.... you are just dumb. /END THREAD
Fwiw I inserted the discussion about rushing ypc because many here think Smith should be encouraged to run more. I wanted to make the point that his ypc has gone down, and is trending down. Imo it is very unlikely opponents will any more be surprised by him taking off like occurred when he first did that to effect last season. But no, I dont think that is more significant than say TD%. TD% is up, but only marginally so. It's a very limited predictive stat in any event at this point. He's only had 3, and he still is throwing more interceptions than TD's. And I did note that his interception percentage is down, but again not significantly. Increased completion percentage when ypa remains the same is a problematic metric to assign value to. All other things being equal increased completion percentage has some value independent of ypa. But it's not all that significant. Imo turnovers v. Td's and ypa are the most signficant stats for evaluating the individual performance of a Qb, and even they are all to some extent tied in with the performance of others. Yet with a small sample of a new year with an improved, even if marginally so, roster on O, I find it telling his ypa is exactly the same, and his TD v. Int numbers remain out of balance. Those factors being objectively the case, it is difficult to argue objectively that Smith has shown material improvement this year.
Meh, if the stats you are choosing to look tell you Geno hasnt improved than I suppose there is no point in discussing it further.
While Vick is by no means a long term solution and he too will make his far share of mistakes, I believe he is also a much more dynamic player than Smith and offers considerably more big play ability. I would imagine his overall completion percentage would probably be lower than Geno's but that he'd also more than make up for it with superior effectiveness in the red zone as well as having better touch and accuracy than Smith on deep balls. Right or wrong, I think Vick gives us a better chance to win games now. I guess the question that no one here yet has the answer to is how much rope/time do we give Smith to learn and develop his game to find out whether he can become the QB they hope he will be. How many winnable games can we afford or are willing to lose while the Geno Smith Player Development Project evaluation exercise continues?
Of course if you want to only talk in terms of homeristic colored glasses wearing over optimistic subjective observations rather than objective stats, you are probably right in thinking that would be a waste of time with me. Is ypa not a relevant stat? Of course it is. And ftr I did not say Smith has had no improvement. It is just not all that significant, contrary to what the homer Smith Fans believe as an article of faith. I acknowledge his interception ratio is down, albeit marginally, and the same for his td ratio being marginally up. And I recognize completion percentage is also up, but with no increase in ypa. Is that not problematic? Smith was recognized as having an awful season last year. He quite simply has not progressed to any great significance. Not so far at any rate. It is what it is.
In fairness to Smith the next few games on the schedule would be tough for any Qb to face. But whether he should play them all or not is not up to us. Ryan and Idzik appear committed to him for the time being. So let's assume he continues to play them. I have said this before - we need to see Smith become gradually more effective behind center, along with a drop in interceptions, in order to find objective progress in his development. For reasons that have been identified elsewhere on these boards his being limited to the shotgun is in turn limiting the effectiveness of the overall offense. I think that is a key metric. That being the case, in the next four or five games he should show more effectiveness with that part of the Qb's skill set. If not and in the meantime the turnovers continue and the Jets lose all or most of those games, I think we all will have seen enough of him.
