INTERESTING - Inside look at Jets GM Joe Douglas’ new draft grading system

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  1. No Fly Zone

    No Fly Zone Well-Known Member

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    so you're saying Manish can't perform basic math... there's a surprise ; )
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Tannehill was a guy you wanted to get rid of the football fast with and generate yards after the catch, I wouldn't call Landry a vertical threat, his MO was YAC. Different routes in a different system but Landry was complaining about the coaching in Cleveland too.

    I think Bell could have been used a lot better in certain situations especially with Ty or Powell who both can catch the football. I agree with that concern right now, but if the Jets improve the line perhaps we'll see better usage.
     
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    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    Gace did an OK job of scheming considering:

    His WRs had less than 1 second to defeat the DB get open
    His QB had less than 1 second to find the open WR and get the ball out
    His RB had a d-lineman wrapped around his head and a LBer wrapped around his ankles while taking the handoff
    His 3rd string QB was not that good
    His 5 starting lineman were all released and got new jobs as turnstiles at Penn Station while 1 got a job as a crossing guard, but was fired after 6 kids got ran over on his first day on the job.
     
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  4. LF911SC

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    I think you misread also. It doesnt say what you're saying it said.
     
  5. LF911SC

    LF911SC Well-Known Member

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    And everything is completely different that it was When Gase was there. Including the QB. This burned out logic is just that.
     
  6. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't even talking about Bell as a runner, I meant as a receiver. Look at those charts... he was running actual route out of the backfield or even lining up at WR with the Steelers. With us he was just the bailout option. Chip block, run to the right. Chip block, run to the left. Be there in case Sam needs help. We knew it already, but visually looking at how he was used under Gase is further proof of how badly Gase botched that entire situation.

    I don't even want to use Landry as an example because like you said, he just seems to be a professional complainer no matter what. But you can't ignore that kind of speed the way Gase did. He's a YAC specialist because of it obviously, but you're gonna tell me with that blazing speed he shouldn't be used more as a deep threat? In 2017, for the games they have charted, he ran 5 routes over 25 yards. Not 5 games with a route over 25 yards... 5 routes TOTAL. In 12 games. That's just using what you have poorly.
     
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  7. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure if Gase had to bounce between Josh Rosen and Ryan Fitzpatrick, that would be a crutch that certain people here leaned on too.
     
  8. LF911SC

    LF911SC Well-Known Member

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    You may believe that. You may believe players playing on completely different teams, with different players, QBs etc are still comparable situations.

    I dont and facts aren't crutches. They're just facts
     
  9. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Of course you don’t.
     
  10. LF911SC

    LF911SC Well-Known Member

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    Well I dont.
    For one, you need to make sense.
    And that you believe you are is fine. But sorry, a WR with a different QB etc, etc, isnt comparable. Thats a starter.
     
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  11. BroadwayAaron

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    This demonstrates that you missed the overall point. Parker was “bad” with Tannehill who went on to lead the league on passer rating, throwing 22 TDs, 6 INTS in 12 games with 70% completion. Parker was very above average with a mix of Josh Rosen who might be out of the league soon and Ryan Fitzpatrick who needs no introduction.

    So what exactly is your argument? Parker played better with shittier QBs.
     
  12. mattyd99

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    Good GM's do that. Macc did not which compounded his ineptitude in scouting NFL players.

    I agree with your post just wanted to say that we haven't been doing that.
     
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  13. LF911SC

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    aActually youre not making a point.
    Parker, 490 yards before Gase as his HC. First year with Gase 744, with Tannehill missing the end of the season. Second year, with Cutler at QB, 670 yards. 3rd with Osweiler fell off.
    Parker wasn't bad with Tannehill. You're just whining now
     
  14. LF911SC

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    That youre wrong
     
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    First of all, this was a great article. Probably the best ever written by Manish.

    2nd of all, Joe D loves Gase. He is one of the main reasons he came to the Jets. He could’ve had any GM job he wanted this offseason but chose to come to the Jets due to his close relationship with Gase. The chances of Gase getting fired after this year are slim to none, he will get a shot to HC this team with a rebuilt roster.

    This board is becoming brutal to read with every thread turning into a Gase whine session. Even quality ones like this one.
     
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  16. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I agree Bell could've been used better on a more consistent basis, the only time I recall him really being used with the most versatility was the first Buffalo game. I hope that improves. Bell was a good pass blocker last year, they did have him block on a decent # of occassions.
     
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    I don't entirely agree that Gase will effectively get a free pass because of his prior relationship with JD. He might get a slightly longer leash than some would like because of it but nothing more. As to your other points: I agree 100%.
     
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  18. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I think they have the best relationship since maybe Tanny and Mangini in the early days, but it can sour quickly if Gase doesn't improve.
     
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    it’s really only 1 poster that does all the whining though, right?
     
  20. BroadwayAaron

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    No one hates facts and stats quite like you.

    Speaking of people that hate stats and facts... am I the only one getting pro-Trump targeted ads on every single page of this site?
     

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