Inspiring move by an inspiring franchise.

ellis was a pro bowl alternate and had his best season since a 4-3 DE with J Abe across from him... why does he go?

 

If that's what you want, would you be okay with Todd Haley?

Todd Haley (OC, Arizona) was a Jets assistant coach in 2000. He's considered to be one of the most intelligent coaches in the league. He will get a head coaching job. It's just a matter of when and where. Why not next season with the Jets?
Matt Raich is a defensive assistant for the Cardinals. (Clancy Pendergast is the Arizona defensive coordinator.) I don't know exactly what Raich does, but he's probably being molded to eventually become a defensive coordinator. The guy certainly knows about the 3-4 because prior to joining the Cardinals staff in 2007, he was with the Steelers from 2004-06. Prior to that he was in the college ranks. So Raich's been coaching 3-4 NFL defenses for five straight seasons. Todd Haley as Jets head coach and Matt Raich as defensive coordinator? It could happen.

 

So what bugs you more, the Jets making too many (wrong?) moves, or Jim Hendry making no fucking moves whatsoever? FWIW, I vote for the latter.

 

It's not only because I like the Cards.
It's mainly because Haley has a chance to be really good. He is a guy who will get interviewed for HC jobs sooner rather than later because he is considered by many to have a very bright football mind.

If the Jets don't go the retread route either by choice or because the retreads turn down any possible offers, the Jets would be foolish to not interview Haley.

Haley could truly bring Raich along with him and the Jets would not have to switch back to a 4-3.

I prefer the 4-3, but I can see the value in continuing with a 3-4 scheme.

 

If we had 8 more games THIS season, we might have gone 2-6 over that stretch. Food for thought.

 

"I hope you enjoy watching us try to put the pieces back together again."

Isn't that what Jet fans have spent 99% of their time doing the past 40 years? What else is new?

 

I completely agree. Be careful what you wish for Jets fans.

 

"Don't hate the playa, hate the game..."

Woody made a business decision on this. Nothing personal on Mangini but Woody has a franchise to run for a profit here.

This is NY and frankly, not a place for coaches to learn and hone their craft. Wrong place for OJT. Woody tried it with both Herm and Mangini and both experiments failed in the short run.

Woody paid $600mil for the team. He chipped in $400mil or so on the stadium. He needs to see some ROI. I'm sure he has people to answer to as well. He made this move not only to placate his fanbase, but potential investors (PSL buyers) as well. His move to generate buzz around the Jets with the Farve signing failed. He needed a "Steinbrenner moment" and he got it today. Its his team DW and he can do with it what he wants.

I do kinda feel bad for you young man. Your idealism, while admirable, was in this case doomed. Football is a entertainment business first and foremost. Marketing and merchandising will always trump idealism.

Its about the money DW.. Its always about the money. If you want to be a part of that business, I'd advise you to check your idealism and sense of fairplay at the door on your way in.

I would worry more about what's next if I were you. The franchise is at a nexus and the wrong decision will set this franchise back decades. Pray that the Jets do a very thorough vetting job on the next HC candidate.

Mangini would have been better suited for a smaller market. A place that has time to nurture and develop young, inexperienced coaches. Perhaps college would be a good option.

New York/New Jersey is the biggest Media market in the country and as such, not a proving ground anymore. Hopefully Woody finally understands that now.

Don't blame Woody for the public execution. He really had no choice in the big picture..

It is what it is...

 

With that logic why wasn't Tannebaum fired after 2007 when he left Mangini with a roster very low on talent.

 

I am not there yet. I still believe a fresh NFL head coach can win in NY/NJ. But, maybe I'm cuckoo for thinking so.

For those who agree with Cman50, then the next Jets head coach is probably going to have to be Marty Schottenheimer, Brian Billick, or Bill Cowher.

I have doubts about Cowher. Might be like George Seifert in Carolina- a big success for a flagship franchise and a dud for a shaky franchise. I don't think NY/NJ is an ideal place for Cowher. I think he's a better fit in a place like Detroit.

If Favre comes back, and it sounds like Woody Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum are in favor of this, then Marty Schottenheimer is the way to go. M. Schottenheimer would win at least 10 games with the Jets no matter how hard the schedule is. He is a top notch regular season coach. You'd just have to hope he finally gets the job done in the postseason.

Billick is a cocky bastard- just the type of guy who wouldn't get fazed by the media. Dealing with the media is a big part of the equation when you coach a New York team.

 

Yep. Cowher learned his craft on Pittsburgh's time and dime, not ours. NY wants the finished product, not the prototype. We got that with Parcells and most likely, will get it again with the next hiring.

If I don't miss my guess, Woody realizes that he doesn't have another 40 years to produce. Not in this market anyway. Too many other options out there competing for the same dollars.

 

What's to stop us from believing that it will take another 15 years before Cowher wins another Super Bowl?

 

Cowher has had his own collapses in his resume. He just didn't get fired after them.