I would rather have Kyle Wilson line up at QB than watch another snap with Geno under center......er in the shotgun.
In referring to the bolded sentence above, no, he couldn't. Parcells was horrible as the GM. He was one of the worst GMs the Jets ever had. He passed up on two great LTs and whiffed badly, I think on all of his 2nd & 3rd round picks. Parcells was GM of the Jets in 1997 - 2000. Following are his drafts. I'm going on memory regarding how good they were, so may be mistaken on some of them. Bust indicates that they never even made the team or were so awful they weren't around long. 1997 1 - James Farrior, LB (decent for Jets, excellent for Steelers) 2 - Rick Terry, DT (horrible bust) 3 - Dedric Ward, WR (mediocre) 4 - Terry Day, DE (bust) 4 - Leon Johnson, RB (excellent pick) 5 - Lamont Burns, OG ( 5 - Ray Austin, DB (bust) 6 - Tim Scharf, (bust) 6 - Chuck Clements, QB (mediocre) 7 - Steve Rosga, DB (bust) 7 - Jason Ferguston, DT (Great) 1998 2 - Dorian Boose, DT ( 3 - Scott Frost, DB (awful) 3 - Kevin Williams, FS (awful) 4 - Jason Fabini, OT (excellent pick) 5 - Casey Dailey, LT (awful) 5 - Doug Karczewski, OG (awful) 5 - Blake Spence, TE (awful) 5 - Eric Bateman, ? (bust) 6 - Eric Ogbogu, DE (good) 6 - Chris Brazzell, WR (bust) 6 - Dustin Johnson, RB (bust) 7 - Lawrence Hart, TE (bust) 1999 2 - Randy Thomas, OG (great) 3 - David Loverne, OG (serviceable, decent) 4 - Jason Wiltz, DT (bad) 5 - Jermaine Jones, DB (bust) 6 - Marc Megna, LB (bust) 6 - J.P. Machado, OG (decent) 7 - Ryan Young, OT (excellent) 7 - J. J. Syvrud, LB (bust) 2000 1 - Shaun Ellis, DE (great) 1 - John Abraham, DE/OLB (very good) 1 - Chad Pennington, QB (very good) 1 - Anthony Becht, TE (pretty bad) 3 - Laveranues Coles, WR (excellent) 5 - Windrell Hayes, WR (bust) 6 - Tony Scott, CB (mediocre) 7 - Richard Seals, DT (bust) By far, 2000 was his best draft, but with 4 #1 picks, it's hard to have a bad draft. It's a tossup which draft was worse, '97 or '98. In '97 he passed up Orlando Pace AND Walter Jones, as well as Tony Gonzalez, Warrick Dunn, Jamie Sharper, Sam Madison, and Corey Dillon as well as other quality players in the first two rounds
And in my opinion, the 2000 draft wasn't even that good, considering the kind of picks we had. When you have 4 first round picks, you expect to hit a gold mine, but if you look at what we got, only 1 out of the 4 players was an impact player, that being John Abraham. And his career, at least with us (haven't really followed him much in Arizona), was somewhat marred by injuries. Shaun Ellis was a good long time contributor to the team, but he was nothing more than a solid role player and not really a consistent pass rushing threat. Pennington, a lot of us like, but let's be honest, when you draft a QB in the 1st round, you are expecting a franchise guy, and Pennington never became that, due to both injuries and a weak arm. Becht was obviously a bust, other than his blocking. So they got 1 impact player (with injury issues) out of 4 first round picks.
LOL! 2000 wasn't that good?? Get the fuck out of here! Pennington Coles Ellis and Abraham, Christ this team can barely hit on 1 pick nowadays
I agree to some extent, but probably not in the way you think. In terms of long term production and consistency, imo Shaun Ellis was the best of the 4 picks. He may have not gotten that many sacks, but we was great vs the run and did generate pressure on opposing QBs. He played big in big games. When considering his stats, you have to remember and consider the fact that Herm Edwards messed around with Ellis shifting him to 3T DT for a year or two. I think Pennington was the 2nd best pick. Pennington had the smarts, accuracy and leadership to be the franchise QB the Jets needed. If he had never suffered the first shoulder/rotator cuff injury, his arm would probably have been strong enough. Don't forget that in college at Marshall he threw deep to Randy Moss a lot. He was borderline to be sure, but I think his arm would have been adequate to lead the team to at AFC Championship or two. Don't forget also that he wasted a year or two sitting on the bench behind that boob Testaverde. I believe that Chad could have started day one. He was NFL ready. I see Abraham as the 3rd best pick. He had some big games for the Jets, but also disappeared for games at a stretch. He was a liability vs the run and there were numerous times that he probably could have and should have played, but didn't because of some minor ticky-tack illness or injury. I remember a crucial playoff game where he refused to play. Many other players would have taken intravenous fluids and played, but not Abe. Becht wasn't a bust, but had hands of stone and wasn't worthy of a 1st round selection. Getting Coles in the 3rd was a steal. He had 1st round talent and played like a first round pick for the Jets. If it hadn't been for the way Bowden and FSU treated him, he probably would have been a 1st round pick. He dropped because of character issues, but the Jets did their homework on him. I agree that it was possible for the Jets to have had a stronger draft, but only marginally so, unless Parcells had drafted Tom Brady. It wasn't the strongest draft. In the first round, at the positions where the Jets were drafting and barring trade ups or trade downs, the only players the Jets could have taken that would have perhaps been better would have been Bubba Franks, Keith Bulluck, and Chris Hovan, and he wasn't a scheme fit. Franks would have been better than Becht as would have Bulluck, but I don't think Bulluck was a scheme fit, although I may be wrong about that. There was no one in the 3rd round better than Coles. In the 5th round Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila would easily have been better than Hayes, as would have been Chad Morton or Sammy Morris. In the 6th round, there were two players who would have been head and shoulders better than Tony Scott... a Michigan QB named Tom Brady and DE Adalius Thomas.
That's not quite accurate. Parcells as Draft GM was horrid. Until the 2000 draft. But look over the period in time. He got a good LB, a good DT, 2 good guards a very good RB, a good WR that would have been very good as a 3 in the slot, prior to 2000. then he got to DE's and a very good QB, and a very good outside WR, no one could have forseen Chad's China Doll status. He built a team, in that period. And without going back to re-examine who picked when it's sometimes unfair to point out who got passed up, unless they got picked withing 5 picks after you, otherwise at least, especially after the first round, because then everyone passed on them. My draft hindsight rule is if that player got picked at your position of need within 5-10 picks, you should have been better than the other scout staff.. For instance...yeah, Parcells passed on Corey Dillon. But the last time I checked Jets RB Curtis Martin was in the HoF, and Dillon wasn't. Martin + Leon > Martin + a guy with a similar, but lesser skillset.
great post. and Brady was passed over by every GM 5 times. Why? Because he was skinny and weak. 6'5 211 pounds. (ahem...roids..) though seriously he wouldn't have needed them at that age just a real trainer.... that and a combination of a favorable playbook, and the most intelligent coach in the NFL, yes, Beli. and there you have it. Economics fit's the NFL in a very raw/naked way. Beli has always married the two brilliantly.
Life is a popularity contest. It was that way in high school and same goes for adulthood. Rex is funny and very good with the media and Idzik sucks at it. His presser and his basic demeanor with the press is terrible. He gives cold patented answers, never says anything and it doesn't wash in NYC. Guys like Mehta will eat you up. He gives them no copy so they tell the fans he has to go. They're kiilling him and fanning the flames for this firing airplane gimmick. It's not that unusual. When Vinny T was with the Bucs a fan bought billboards claiming he was colorblind because he threw more to teams with other colored jerseys instead of the Bucs. If Woody does fire Idzik on Monday it will make him look even more minor league than he already is.
Yes, Parcells built a team that had some success during that period. But he used a completely different approach than what Idzik is doing. Parcells was building like a mercenary, which is what he was after his Giants years. He didn't care about the Jets' long-term interests, he wanted to throw something together quickly and win fast, and move on. So he brought in a bunch of veterans, like Bryan Cox, Testaverde and others, drafted like shit since he wasn't even interested in developing young players for the future, and essentially went all in with a veteran group that had a small window to compete. Did he win the championship for us? No. They made it to the championship game once, on the strength of their coaching staff (Parcells, Belichick, Weiss), but much like every other team that was hastily assembled to compete, they did not win the big one. Some fans might like that approach, because it takes a short cut, and quickly produces a competitive team, but if you really want to win the Superbowl, that is not the way to go. Teams that win Superbowls have lots of homegrown talent, not an assembly of aging veteran mercenaries.
That's over a 4 year window, hardly mercenary. In fact by all indications, that seems to be the facile root of Idziks imagination. Do not build, get waaay under the cap and prepare to buy in.
