Yea believe me it sucks to be rebuilding every year. Hopefully they are heading in the right directiuon we will see. Normally you never write a team off after week 4 unless they are 0-4, but the Jets have serious issue with talent on the field. I see an 8-8 record but I don't think that will be good enough to get into the post season this year.
baed on the last 3 weeks I don't see 8 wins but if you see 8-8 then would it be crazy to think they could eek out another win and sneak in?
This is no different than the last few years. Tanny moves money around and we are never in cap hell. Pats and Fins fans come to this site every year and say the same thing (over and over and over), and it never happens. Only problem is Tanny might actually get fired this year, so THEN I'd start to be worried. As long as he's the GM, we're fine in this department. He may not be a great GM in terms of signing, scouting, etc., but he knows his shit with the cap. They don't call him a cap guru for nothing.
Like Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, David Carr, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, and Heath Schuler. Ya lots of people.
What exactly isn't fair? - we used a top 6 draft pick on him - we gave him a big contract and a big extension He has not become a qb who can carry a team or make average players look like good ones. Those are the things a guy like brady/brees/rodgers/manning do. and if he is gonna get paid like those guys, then that is the expectation. I dont think sanchez is terrible. And i dont think us struggling is all on him. We dont do anything well offensively. we dont run well, we dont block well, we dont get open and we dont protect the ball. That said, i cant imagine many non-rookie qbs doing worse in sanchez same situation. 49% completions, last in the league. 5 or 6 picks, 28th in yards per game. Sanchez could be good, he could be a winning QB with a good cast around him. put him in houston or baltimore and he would look much better. But we dont have those teams, and even with the best drafting/GM'ing we wont have a cast like that for a couple years. it just isnt going to work with him. its the wrong fit. We should 100% start one of our other quarterbacks. Not because sanchez is the worst QB in football, but because he isnt the awnser here
Ok, I will post this here too as most of the apologists gather in this thread. Kevin Fishbain @kfishbain #Jets QB Mark Sanchez in his last 3 games: 44-of-101 passing (43.6%) for 2 TDs, 3 INTs, sacked 6 times, lost one fumble.
I think what Junc is trying to say is that this team is so much more flawed than JUST the QB. Yeah Sanchez is not bailing these clowns out or even carrying his own weight....we get that. Just people are foolish if they think a good majority of QBs make it work with what we have lined up on the O-Line, at WR, at RB and at TE. There's so much more of a problem than just Mark Sanchez. Also, I read on here that people were getting mad at Sanchez barking at his WRs and staring at them after a miscue. WOW....so let me get this straight folks. You hate when Sanchez pouts, doesn't show emotion on the sideline nor doesn't punch microphones Dennie Green style at press conferences(Which all of which are so overrated and overhyped beyond belief....I could give a shit if my QB starts going berserk and pulling a Cutler) BUT when Sanchez begins to hold people accountable for drops or not running correct routes by "Showing up" Connor after a drop or Turner after a drop or Gates for not running a correct route....."Oh Sanchez is such a douchebag....what is he doing throwing guys under the bus like that? He sucks!". Folks you can't have it both ways. You can't stand when Sanchez doesn't show emotion or anger on the sidelines when he is "Moping" but when after a drop or miscue that guys are dropping routine plays and he gets visibly upset, then you still get mad that he's showing these guys up like that. Like most if not all of us expect Sanchez to make these routine throws, its also fair to be mad and disgruntled at our football players at WR or RB to not get the job done for making routine plays.
You know anything is possible and they could get a 9th victory in and make it but like the 2008 Dolphins, go nowhere. Jets Losses: Houston Seattle Pats x2 Chargers Jets wins: Jax Colts Buffalo Toss Ups: Rams Titans Cards Miami 5-7 with 4 toss ups. Obviously anything can happen on any given Sunday but to me this is pretty objective. Losing Revis is the worst thing that could have happened. Not having Keller is a distant second. Holmes going would have to be thrird and you have had all three happen. I don't recall ever seeing a team hit this hard in key spots with injuries. The closest would be the Bills about 4 years ago.
Fishbain of course does not put how many drops or incorrect routes are run but that's expected. I'd like to say AT LEAST 10-15 of those "Incompletions" were drops or mistimed routes, which obviously would boost the percentage up but don't let honest evaluation get in the thick of this. Greene has a borderline 3 YPC average....THATS the true crime right there.
Actually I don't think he has ever spread it this thin. Because of all the restructuring and huge contracts, it's catching up. I don't think Tanny has been more then 10 mil over and had 18 spots to fill. I amy be wrong but I don't think so.
right now I can't think that far ahead, the way we have been playing we are a 4-6 win team(and we already have 2 wins). I want to see them start playing better before I start playing out scenarios.
Can we all at least agree that Sanchez has third-rate weapons on the field with him? Hard to be successful with the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball.
I just want to know, when does that stop becoming an excuse? Year 5, 6 7? Do we have to wait 7 years to finally have everyone on the same page that this guy just doesn't have it.
Haha..you are trying to use "honest evaluation" to get his completion rate all the way up 20 50%...go for it but let's see some links that account for those drops and mistimed routes (which I always thought were still incompletions).
When we give the man targets like Rodgers has in GB ala Nelson/Jennings/Jones/Driver/Finley, than its put up or shut up time. Jones a guy who doesn't even start in GB would be our No.1, arguably even over Holmes. Shit Driver would start for us and the dude barely sees time on the field LOL.
They are incompletions at the end of the day but not always at the fault of the QB which is what I am getting at Don so its a faulty stat.
I agree, however he has to take blame too, for his indescision and inaccuracy...Sparano also deserves alot of the blame, he is the same as Shotty...1st down pass...inc...2nd and 10 handoff...3rd and 9....yeeessshhhh!
I don't buy Seattle yet as a lock loss and I'm not even sure I buy San Diego as a loss, but I'd definitely throw Seattle into the "toss up" category. And the Jets should be able to beat Miami at home and the Titans.
He definitely doesn't have a good supporting cast this year, but the buck stops with the QB. Sanchez is inaccurate, he forces throws when things are snowballing against the offense, he doesn't secure the ball in the face of a clear pass rush...in other words, he's still making rookie mistakes as a 4th year pro. I have basically no faith in Tebow or McElroy, so I don't know what the solution here is. But, with the sorry state of our running game, this team is going nowhere fast unless we get better quarterback play. It's really that simple.
So we have to surround Sanchez with a pro bowl team in order for him to be a competent QB in this league? Is that what you're telling me? Because I look at the rest of this division and I see Ryan Tannehill playing better than Sanchez with no name guys to throw to. I see Ryan Fitzpatrick playing better than Sanchez with no name guys to throw to and do I even have to mention Tom Brady taking guys that no one thought that highly of and made them household names.
