agreed....theres always some excuse for this guy...at what point is he expected to step up??? it doesnt appear he will... and i dont want to hear the BS lack of weapons excuse today. 1) Sanchez threw a pick on a screen. A SCREEN. And sadly, he's done that before. 2) Sanchez sailed numerous passes over open receiver's heads 3) Sanchez did not time his passes well on numerous occasions 4) Sanchez made horrible decisions, throwing the ball into double and sometimes triple coverage Most importantly, all things considered Sanchez has had ample time all year. No excuses for him anymore. He's used em up.
You guys aren't being fair AT ALL. Like i've said in the previous post, I don't understand how people are ready to throw in the towel and blame EVERYTHING on Sanchez. I'm sorry but football is a TEAM sport! We looked SLOPPY in ALL 3 phases of the game! Yes, our QB did play a terrible game BUT did you see the WR run their routes??? It's shameful!! As a WR your supposed to take PRIDE in beating the guy in FRONT of you ALL day!! Your taught from DAY 1 to ATTACK the ball! Don't let it come to you! We can't get any separation to SAVE our lives!!!
It's not all on Mark , but he is terrible. There's just no getting around it. What we really need is to stop being blind homers. We will never win anything with Rex , Mark and Tanny.
And this is why the 49ers can only have a chance to win a SB if their running game and defense are playing at their best, the same can be said about our 2009 and 2010 teams. Once our running game and defense failed us in the 2009 AFCCG, we were finished. And once our Defense failed us in 2010 AFCCG we were finished. So much has to go right for a team designed to win a SB with a game manager. Well the problem with this is that we aren't paying Mark to be a game manager, we are paying him to be a game winner, we paid him like the 5th overall pick that he was and he has not returned on that investment. You can find better game managers than Mark for A LOT less money, we will not win a super bowl with a game manager, unless we have an elite RB and an elite Defense, and even then the odds are still against us with the emphasis on QB play in today's NFL. 2 passes, against one of the worst pass defense's in NFL history, hardly something to cite to validate a 3+ year body of work. He doesn't throw those passes consistently enough and most of the time he is too timid to even attempt to throw such passes. That's 3 quarterbacks, in the past 22 superbowls. There were 18 other quarterbacks and every single one of those quarterbacks was more than a game manager. And the 3 QBs you mentioned had legendary defenses behind them, so what you've essentially said is that in order for Sanchez to win a SB, he can still be a game manager, but even then we are going to need a legendary defense in order to have a shot at winning it all, and the odds really don't look good considering this accounts for only 3 of the last 22 super bowls.
In the playoff game against the Pats after they cut the lead to 7, he marched down the field and gave the Jets a two score lead again. To demean his role on the team in those years isn't really fair, but for the most part you're making good points. Yes Pennington played better than Sanchez that goes without saying. You know what I always wondered, whenever Holmes drops a pass or runs a bad route they call him out. When Greene is getting 1 and 2 yards they call him out, when Cromartie gives up a big play they call him out, when Bart Scott is running slower than a turtle while chasing down tight ends they call him out. But when it comes to Sanchez you can't call him out when he plays shitty. It's always some excuse, it's the "o line", "schotty", "receivers" but NEVER Sanchez. I give Sanchez his credit when he plays well but I'm not gonna give him a pass when he plays like shit.
I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt the past couple of years, but I'm facing reality. Sanchez definitely stinks and, barring a miracle, we should go in another direction next year. But he's definitely not alone in his stinkiness. When Sanchez does actually manage to get a ball near a receiver, they drop it, so they stink, too. I definitely don't think Tebow is any better, so our passing game is screwed. Shonn Greene can't break a tackle, McKnight is strictly a return guy, and Powell is Shonn Greene with slightly better hands, so our running game stinks as well. The defense can't get a sack to save their lives, and Cromartie is the only legitimate corner on the team, so the Defense also stinks. Man, we stink.
I'm not demeaning his role, I am putting his role into proper context, so many people want to fall into the trap of giving the QB all the glory and all the credit, he doesn't deserve all the credit, he deserves the credit for throwing 3 TD passes in that game, and playing one of the better games of his career. But the top story of that game was the fact that the Patriots who looked unstoppable, who embarrassed us with a 45-3 win just a few weeks earlier, were held to just 14 meaningful points, (and a garbage time touchdown to make it 21) The defense was the MVP that day, and to give Mark the distinction of having led us to victory is unfair to the defense that truly led the way on that day.
Idk, he made one egregious throw today to Navarro Bowman that was somehow not intercepted. It was in double coverage.
I agree with some of the previous posters. I defended Sanchez for awhile and always deemed his poor play on Schotty. He's running out of excuses at this point. The o-line pass protection has been well above average this year. Granted some of his receivers are hurt, and the 2nd half today he was throwing to JAGs, but the point remains. He's not getting better. At some point we all need to accept the fact that we've seen Sanchez's ceiling. I'm really starting to sour on him and wondering what we should do next at QB. Took me longer than most posters here, but I'm now in that camp.
That's true. However doing that is one thing, but using those attitudes, and that's all they are, attitudes, as a shield to block legitimate criticism of Sanchez is really blinding the fans from looking at it objectively in my opinion. Of course QBs get more credit than they deserve, and more blame than they deserve, but in my view, if we can remove ourselves from that mindset and look at the body of work from Sanchez objectively we are going to see that he simply has not lived up to expectations and is not playing well enough to be exempt from a QB competition and be in risk of losing his starting job. I can remember back when we drafted him, I didn't expect him to be good out of the gate, but if you asked me back then what kind of stat line I would have expected of Sanchez in his 3rd and 4th season, I would have said something like: 29 TD 10 INT 4000 or so yds 65-70% completion which is typical for good to great starting quarterbacks. And we are simply not seeing this sort of play, we are seeing the play of someone who seems perpetually stuck in a rookie or 2nd year player level of performance.
Well I'm tired of him playing like DOG SHIT when he doesn't have a Top 3 defense or running game to ride on the coat tails of. I don't care if your receiving core is Jerry Rice, George Sauer and Don Maynard, guess what, YOU CAN'T CATCH A BALL IN THE GROUND OR 10 FEET OVER YOUR HEAD. Can't wait for this P.O.S. to get kicked to the curb.
Let's do a trading places... we swap QBs with the 49s then replay the game and how about the season. You think we win the game or go to the playoffs with Alex Smith? You think the 49s would crash and burn with Sanchez? Sanchez isn't that good but neither is Smith. But its easier blaming one player rather than the organization who mismanaged the team. Maybe if we had Kevin Kobb because he's such a great QB. Because we all know its not possible to win without an elite QB. I guess we need to lose every game until an elite QB is dropped into our laps. People on these boards are always full of talk about cutting this guy, benching this QB, firing everyone. How do you propose to pick up other teams diamonds while you throw out your trash? 49s are perfect example of fixing what you have, having a vision, good fundamental football...
My sentiments exactly. I've been trying to support him, I said this would be a defining game for him, and it was defining in a very bad way.
This argument holds up if the weapons around him were such high commodities and are great but in essence this is most likely now what we have for Sanchez: A 5th round WR in Kerley who might be our No.1 next week A Rookie 2nd round WR in Hill whose a project next week(Thats IF he plays) A 1st round TE who may or may not play in Keller(If he does not play than undrafted FAs Epps and Cumberland and Rouland are the TEs....youch) A 4th round cut from the Phins in Gates A 3rd round cut from the Phins in Turner There are handy downs on this team.........in other words, the weapons around the team are GARBAGE. Connor's a mediocre Fullback weapon, Greene is a piss poor weapon who everyone and their mother knew(But the Jets FO) that he's a strict goal line RB, Powell is not different.... If we're questioning people who have not lived up to their high pick states, lets target a stiff this year in D'Straw Ferguson who after getting his nice payday has absolutely shit the bed as an "Elite LT" and is suppose to be with Mangold the forefront of a "Great" O-Line. Like I said before, Mark Sanchez had a rough day....no excuses for him. However, Tebow or any other QB WILL NOT fix these problems. Jets fans are delusional if they think that's the answer. Tebow lived off of a great pass rushing Denver D last year.....we have NOWHERE NEAR the pass rush that Denver did last season nor have Decker/Thomas with Holmes possibly out for a while. And Shonn Greene is the answer to what Tebow had in McGahee? LOL The team's failure is on our evaluators and Mike Tannebaum, not Mark Sanchez. Sanchez does not draft these people, he may vouch for a pick on Scotty McKnight or to sign Patrick Turner or draft Joe McKnight because of his relationship but by no means does the FO have to satisfy Mark and draft them just because they are buddies.
anyone blaming Mark doesn't know what they are watching. He has no chance out there w/ this OL and the talent around him.
