We are never going to advance as a franchise if we keep trying to take other peoples scraps and hope to strike gold...I don't see our team as one that just needs an average QB to win games anymore.... this dude is a back up.. that's what he's been that's what he should remain. If we go into the season with this guy as our starter (unless we have a 1st round rookie we're ready to bring in ASAP) then we have failed, AGAIN! I'd hate to give up on Petty so soon but he plays too scary for me.. (I do understand that the o-line was a huge part of his problem however) Hack... lol... I'm no expert... but like the anonymous sources in the jets locker room say... I don't think he'll ever make it. Tyrod Taylor seems to be the best fit for us... Strong arm to feed our speedsters like Robby and Q... good legs to get away from the pressure our QB's receive religiously behind that o-line.
I agree with the first part, and don't want Glennon. As to Taylor, the qualities you mention are positive, but I fear that he's not really a franchise QB either, and what would happen is that they would have to pay him enough to sign him, and he's young, so that he would be a roadblock to seeing what Petty/Hack - or hopefully Watson - can do. We are in No Man's Land with this. Damned if we do; damned if we don't. I don't see any incremental path forward - it's going to be all or nothing, which is why I advocate doing everything possible to get Watson and play him, and if he can't make it, grab another QB in 2018. As many have posted, we need a FQB, and need to keep drafting QBs until we strike gold. Yes there's much risk, but the alternative is, at best, mediocrity and no SB, ever. As they say, "Fortune favors the brave".
Not sure if I truly see Tyrod as our long term answer but I feel we can at least win games and compete with the guy.. cause mismatches and get creative with him at the helm of our offense. Tired of QB's that force us to use the simple portion of our playbook only... we're so damn predictable out there.
This is exactly the kind of attitude that has kept us at the top half of the bad teams in the league. if he isn't a possible franchise qb you are wasting your time playing him
If the Jets were loaded for a run at a championship, with all the holes filled and some talent in the reserves by all means go get Tyrod Taylor and see if he's the last piece in the puzzle. It's been at least 5 years since we were in that situation at this point. We're at least 2 years and probably more like 3 away from being in the position again, and then only if we draft well over the next couple of seasons.
even then, we have seen that will only get you so far. k.c. has been trying it with alex smith with limited success. even with home field advantage they fell to the better qb.
Since 2000 Ben, Tom, and Peyton have represented the AFC in every Super other than two (Flacco and Gannon).
Please re-read what I said, and my other posts regarding QB for next season. If you do, you will see that nowhere do I even come close to saying that I think that Glennon is the long-term answer at QB for the Jets, that I think he's really good, or that I'm a fan of him. The only reasons I want him are that he's younger, likely to be cheaper than most other QBs who will be available, and Petty or Hack would be more likely to beat him out for the starting job. I'm no fan of Glennon. I don't think he's the answer. I just want a young QB with some experience in case Petty hasn't healed or Hack or he prove to not being up to the challenge to start next season. I like Taylor better than Glennon, but I don't think he's the answer at QB, either. He's more mobile which would help with a questionable OL, but is less accurate/reliable on the intermediate and shorter pass routes than Glennon, and would probably cost considerably more than Glennon. I won't be upset if they get Taylor, but he'd probably demand to be the starter before he signed, and that I wouldn't like. I want someone that can compete with and push Petty and Hack, and start if they aren't ready, but I'd MUCH prefer it if he wound up holding the clipboard and either Petty or Hack start. With the Jets' OC/QB Coach situation, however, it's probably going to be shaky at best, and could be an unmitigated disaster. In terms of the level of play for next season, it would probably be better if a vet does start, but I don't care about the W-L record for next season. I want to give Petty and Hack every opportunity to develop and win the job.
This stop gap thing is utter bullshit. Forget Glennon, forget Cutler, Kap...all of them. Work with Petty or Hack and get on with it. They just don't have the talent to compete. Draft OL, maybe a friggin TE too. Get some DBs in FA. First order is OL, and DBs. Protect your QB and let your DL do their job by buying them time down field. Petty or Hack...that's it. Bowles will likely be gone after next season, so they might as well get on with seeing who they have on staff.
It is often overlooked that the Jets drafted QBs in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 7th round in one draft--the one where they snagged Joe Namath. I'm game for another draft like that. Never mind that there's no opposing league that might steal the players these days, the Jets need to get back to this winning formula.
Finally a post that makes sense... thank you. No more stop gaps please, take the hit with who you drafted espically since woody may have given you both a pass for the PO next year. let the kids develop....and get someone who is capable of helping them get better.... not what we had the last two years.
Yep. 20 Rounds. Only 8 picks per round, though. 20x8= 160 total picks 7x32= 224 total picks (and then you add in compensatory picks, and it comes out to 256 total picks) Can you imagine a 7 round draft with 8 picks per? Only 56 guys get drafted each year. Granted, a team these days usually has around 8 picks a year, while a team back then had about 20 picks a year. However, teams today are virtually guaranteed to get any player they draft. Back then, there was a competing league, not to mention, for what they were paying back then, they were competing with actual workforce employment for some of these guys.
I wholeheartedly agree, but do you really think that Bowles will be content to do that? He only cares about keeping his job at this point, not who the Jets' QB of the future will be. That's where the goals of Mac and Bowles are in direct opposition, and Woody in his utter cluelessness, has set them up to be at odds, and insured probably that neither will succeed here. To protect whoever the QB is, we're probably going to have to sign a FA LT, if not a RT, C and/or OG too. It's a good draft for TEs, but I think we should sign a vet to mentor whatever young TEs we have on the roster (be it ASJ, the other two young TEs presently on the roster, or a draft pick). It's a very strong draft for CBs and to a lesser extent, FSs. For the most part, I think those players should be drafted not FAs, but if they can sign Bouye away from the Texans, I'm all for it. More than likely, he'll stay in Houston, so the team will need to sign a 2nd tier CB and/or FS, then draft at least one of each in order to shore up the secondary. One of the strengths of this draft is the OLB position. The Jets have to find a way to get a topflight pass-rushing OLB prospect. That is the key playmaker position in a 3-4 D alignment, and where the pass rush should originate, NOT the DL. It's great if the DL can generate pressure too, but if you really want to make the secondary more effective and hamper opposing teams' passing offense, we need that stud pass rusher.
When you have the situation you have right now you need to get creative. The Jets are in a position where if they beef next year to look better for the year they're just putting off the reckoning that not properly rebuilding between 2011 and 2016 has caused. The HC and GM will look better in 2017 but the team will still be on a downwards path moving forward. If the rebuild starts this year, the real rebuild where the Jets try to setup both the offense and the defense to be competitive in a real championship window a couple of years down the road, the HC and GM will look worse in 2017 but the team might be on an ascending path anyway moving forward. Blowing out the management team in either case is going to set the Jets back. Somebody new is going to come in with different priorities and evaluation of the current talent base and the Jets will take a hit on roster value when that happens. If the new person is a really strong organizational choice who understands how to build a roster to win at the NFL level - a Bill Parcells-type guy, then maybe things begin to look up over time. However we shouldn't forget that Bill Parcells inherited a team that had just made the #1 overall pick in 1996 and had the #1 overall pick going for them in 1997. That part of the equation will not be there in the top scenario above. It might be there for 2018 in the last-place blowout scenario. Who exactly is going to take on the challenge of rebuilding the Jets in that second scenario after the upheaval that Rex/Idzik and Bowles/Mac represent at that point? Leon Hess had to beg Parcells to take the job and then pay him a record-setting contract at the time plus giving him full authority over *everything* in the organization. Who is Woody Johnson going to be able to persuade to do that role for the 2018 Jets? This organization is not very strong at the moment and it's getting buffeted by the fickle winds of the NY/NJ media. I can't think of anybody likely to be available in 2018 who is going to take this job and run with it, even with full control of the football operation. Doubling down on Mac and Bowles and letting them do a real rebuild is probably the best option at this point. If you think that's not true then name your miracle worker who is going to come in and do a Parcell-sian job of putting Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Agreed. I think getting a stud pass rusher at the OLB position is the key to a quick turnaround for this franchise. With the DL the Jets have, being able to take another half second away from opposing QBs will go a long way to covering the deficiencies in the secondary. With a stud pass rusher, it's possible the defense could actually participate in all the games next year. The real correct answer is that the Jets should have drafted drafted two or three of these guys in the last 8 years, then we could have had a great team if we hit on at least one. As badly as this team needs a QB, making a great defense out of the assorted parts already on the roster will be much faster, which is what it will take to get Bowles and Mac back on the same page and allow the QB search to once again become everyone's top priority. Otherwise a real QB search is going to be muddied by another HC transition, if not another GM transition.
Agree with this, too. The best answer is to double down on Mac and Bowles. Even though a lot of guys don't like TB-- the team's best bet at this point is to hope that he improves, rather than shuffling. If Woody isn't willing to make that move yet, then the best bet to show significant improvement next year is to get a stud OLB. Even though LT and QB are more important to the rebuild. As NC pointed out, it's Woody's fault for creating a situation where everyone involved has conflicting priorities and asynchronous timetables.
I agree, I don't ever trust this team to do the right thing. I'm not even sure why I watch anymore, because I know it's always going to be a shit show. Most people know what they need, yet they never seem to see it. I get it, it's easier to be an arm chair QB and all that, but I don't think you need to be Weeb to see the deficiencies on this team.
