What do you mean? The draft is ALL about value and finding the best player that will fit into your system for years to come. Sure, if you have the number 1 overall pick you have more control but that's assuming there are other people who want to trade up and that's never a guarantee with top 5 picks. 3-4 years later once a draft can be accurately assessed, the team that got the best NFL players and paid the least for them is the one that had the best draft. How much control that team had on the day of the draft is relevant only before the picks are made. There is a 90% chance that the Jets draft spot effected by 2 wins/losses won't make or break this team's future.
This is well put. I would never root for the Jets to lose, but regardless of what happens nothing will mean anything until mid-January when serious evaluation starts. Any of the staff who will get the shoe under Mangini; it will happen by mid-January.
Anybody rooting for a draft pick shouldn't even be watching games, they should be pimping out their Madden team.
Control is getting the most out of your position. Stay put and get the player you need the most or trade down and make the post of exploiting the team that wants THAT player. The more I think about it , its a balance between value and control , maximising the picks value and controling the rest of the draft with it. Domino effect.
This is how I feel. Objectively? They're better off losing. Subjectively? I want them to win. And it's not about the Jets' players and coaches wanting to lose. They'll try their best, as they have all season. But as a fan sitting at home, whose attitude will have zero effect on the game, it's a valid question to ask from an objective point of view. Would the Jets be better off in the long run if they lose both games? Yes. Probably. (Depends on how much you believe that two victories now would carry over into next year. My belief is not very much.)
Right but the problem is there's no guarantee that in the top 5 there is a team that will want to trade up with you. For the money I'd much rather have a 5-10 pick than a 1-5 pick.
The same sort of sentiment was tossed around at the end of 2005 and that seemed to work out OK. I really think the rest of this season is in the sack in terms of whether we win or lose. I don't think any victory will carry over to next year. One could have made a very good argument that beating New England would have, but that is heresay now. I think the objective for the last 2 games is play hard and fully test everyone, but be smart about it. I think this off-season will be the most important of Mangini's career.
I feel the same way, really. With a top 5 pick you really are looking for somebody who will stand out as an immediate contributor on the team and also someone who is much better than most of his NFL peers. Ususally, in any one draft there is only 1 to 3 players who fit that bill in terms of the top 5. That means that somebody overpays.
Yep, and that person this year is McFadden , who wants to bust the bank for him remains to be seen. There has been talk about the Pats taking him , but I now think that they (the Pats) will either take a CB or LB first up. My guess is that the Falcons take him.
You said it. In fact, it has been shown in scientific studies that picking high is actually WORSE for your team. From one study: "the top draft pick is actually the worst choice in the first round. Because the cost of players falls off far more quickly than the average performance in the draft, teams are better off trading down to late in the first or even into the second round, where they can get more players cheaper who, taken together, will contribute more performance." click the link http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200605/football-sidebar
Every time the Jets are bad we go over this, it helps to WIN NOT to get a better draft position. Nothing is guaranteed w/ a to 3 pick except you will have to pay them alot of money and eat away cap space. You can find good players anywhere in the draft, I'd rather we win these last 2 and build a little momentum heading into the offseason w/ the team feeling better about itself after such a tough year. We have played ALOT better the 2nd half of this year and I'd like to finish out strong.
yeah have to agree on that. I do go along with the sentiment that the higher the pick the more chance of an almighty bust but also the higher the pick the more chance we get to do what we want with it, like trading down for more picks. BUT i can never root for my team to lose! to im still hoping we finish with 5 wins!!
Wow , you're up early! Did you go last night? Congrats , didn't think your lot would do it. Who do you want next?
Im in work and bored!!! could not go last night, got the big one on saturday away to the Scum!! actually i hope we get them in the cup as well need more chances to beat them!
Mr. Cimini summarizes it perfectly here in today's paper. Guys, stop being idiots, wins don't help us right now, worry, but they don't, they put our franchise in a lower-leverage position... "Save for an occasional spasm of success, the Jets' running game has been a major disappointment. With their current personnel, you'd sooner see a flying pig than a consistent, high-powered ground game. To fix it, they need ... well, a pig that flies. Running back Darren McFadden of the Arkansas Razorbacks. Scouts say the two-time Heisman runner-up is an Adrian Peterson clone, easily the most electrifying offensive player in the 2008 draft (assuming he decides to turn pro) - and he could be there for the Jets' taking. The early word is they like him a lot. All they have to do is lose the last two games and catch a break or two. Many assume the Dolphins (1-13), a virtual lock for the No. 1 pick, will select LSU DT Glenn Dorsey. If Ronnie Brown's knee rehab continues to go well, the Dolphins won't have a crying need for a running back, especially with so many other holes. The Jets, Rams and Falcons - all 3-11 - are battling for the No. 2 spot. Currently, the Rams, who appear set at running back with Steven Jackson, have the inside position because they've played the easiest schedule. A strength-of-schedule breakdown, with the combined record of their opponents: 2. Rams, 114-110. 3. Jets, 117-107. 4. Falcons, 120-104. Of the three "contenders," the Jets have the easiest remaining schedule, with a winnable game against the Chiefs (4-10). Imagine if they beat Herm Edwards, and it costs them a shot at McFadden. That would have to be some sort of cruel coincidence, right?"
I root for them to win, but if they don't I'm not upset. A win is ALWAYS a good thing. However, if they try (this key), but fail, then we reap the benefit of a higher pick. I've been tracking strength of schedule...if we lose out we will likely end up with the number 2 or 3 pick. If we win out we will still have a top 10 pick. Even with one win, we'll end up picking 5 or 6. If we can't pick up an impact player in the top 10, then we have worse issue to deal with.
Dude, we are not competing for last place, ok? Your head must be thick as granite. If we end up losing out and with the #2 pick then so be it. Remember when everyone said we could not pass up on getting Reggie Bush? You play to win and let the chips fall where they do. :drunk:
