I love stat guys...really, I do! Let's chew the fat. You keep talking about Sanchez and his lack of offensive production and discounting the whole offense. Let's factor in runs of less than 2 yds., negative running plays and penalties as these are all situational factors. Factor in hits, sacks and hurries in the passing game...as they all factor into the situation. Without going back and watching all 5 games, which I probably will do eventually, I also need to factor in how many receivers ran the wrong routes...I can, for a fact, point out at least 3 in every game...those add to the situation. Anyone who has WATCHED the games and understands a modicum of football beyond a basic understanding SEES a different Sanchez than in previous years. It's not to say he's our savior and/or will be a SB winning QB but you really have to look at, in this case, the entire entity as a whole as opposed to one cog. The difference between stat guys and football guys is your Mike Mayocks to Marshall Faulk. That's all I'm saying.
Please. This is his fourth season. He's never ranked higher than 23rd in passer rating, and has been bottom five in 3 out of 4 seasons. He's never ranked higher than 28th in completion percentage and has been bottom four in 3 out of 4 seasons. Last year, he was #2 in the NFL in turnovers. He's played one game without a #1 WR. He's had an above average running game, an above average defense, and above average WRs for the majority of his career. Your excuses suck. That's fitting -- so does Sanchez.
Okay, perfect. You go run the numbers and let me know how many runs of less than 2 yards, negative running plays, penalties, hits, sacks, hurries in the passing game, and receivers running incorrect routes occurred in every game for the Jets and every other team this season, last season, in 2010, and in 2009. Then we can comprehensively compare Mark Sanchez to every other quarterback. In the mean time, I'll submit passer rating, completion percentage, and profootballfocus's overall accuracy rating (which accounts for drops, throw aways, spikes, batted passes, and passes during which the QB is hit as the ball is thrown). Sanchez is absolutely, bottom-of-the-league horrible in every one of those stats. So as soon as you get to me with those numbers, we can go ahead and elaborate on Sanchez's current ranking, which is horrendous.
Get a grip. Sanchez is the son of a guy that runs into burning buildings for a living. Not a guy to bring up a fag. The problem here is completion percentage. The NFL is now built on the 6 yard 3 step pass play, as the spark of offense, not running the fucking football. Schitty never got that. Sparano seemed to until every pass catcher on offense got injured, it's what Buck Fraidy has made a career out of. Exploit the edges, the soft middle to set up the deep ball and the run game. The defenses are so shackled that competent offenses should be dominant. But like they point out in moneyball....most of the guys are in long term, and see things the old way. You know what ground and pound should mean? Run the NE offense early...stretch the sides make the defense run laterally for 2 or 3 quarters...keeping your online fresh, then run the ball late. Parcells was the last guy here that understood that. It's not Sanchez. It's the organization. Which is not to say Sanchez doesn't need to improve he does.
Wrong, wrong, wrong we were NOT repeat NOT successful those 1st 2 years of MS being in the NFL cause we DID NOT win the SB making us losers just like the 30 other teams that did not win the SB in those 2 years :sad:
They should resent Sanchez. When you're the "leader" of the team, which is a QB's job, and you suck as bad he does, the other players are looking for a better leader. People can dissect this shit a million different ways. Bottom line is Sanchez is one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL. Any fan who wants one of the worst QB's in the NFL starting for their team clearly doesn't understand that sports is all about Wins and Losses.
Funny you say this considering we have won alot of games with Sanchez as our starting QB. Uh do you know anything
Funny how you suddenly think this is a history lesson about Sanchez's last 4 years. This is about this year and last year and how Sanchez is performing now which is horrible and shitty. If this was about career accomplishments then you would be saying how good Trent Dilfer was 3 years after he actually won a Super Bowl. Duh!
I dunno about the Eli points you're making. His rookie year he was thrown in against three defenses that would finish in the top ten (Falcons, Eagles, Ravens) and actually bottomed out in Baltimore. It was from that point that he was allowed more input on the offense and his play improved (notably the next week against Pittsburgh). I wouldn't call that stretch of the schedule easy nor would I say Eli was coddled by being allowed more say in the offensive gameplan. Eli was also given the responsibility to audible and call out run blocking assignments in his first year as a starter. The challenge there can't be discounted. The biggest issue is that while Eli had some detractors (Burress, Shockey, BARBER) he also had the confidence that comes with having played, won, and lead in college. Eli knew what kind of leader/QB he was and I think that was key in letting him weather the storms he faced. Sanchez doesn't have that and I think the Jets tried to manufacture that for him via rhetoric. That's not a bad idea, but Sanchez has to develop his own positive vibes after a while; I'm not sure you can say he's done that. At this point I think the Jets have made things incredibly difficult for Sanchez. Not only is Tebow a charismatic player with a cult-following, but he also takes the offense in a completely new direction. I'm not absolving Sanchez of all responsibility (I personally just don't think he's very good), but if you look at what the Jets have done with him over his career, you'll see a number of good examples of what NOT to do with a young QB.
Eli flatout sucked for much of the first 3 years he was in the NFL. He had good games and he had terrible games. He won a few for the Giants but he lost just as many. There's a reason Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey were almost openly derisive of his abilities to that point. And the Giants had as big a locker room problem as the Jets have now. They dealt with that problem by winning an improbable Super Bowl in 2007. Short of that Eli would have been out of town a year later at the latest. That just is what it is.
The problem with this argument is he really isn't off of his statistical norms by much, the difference is he doesn't have arunning game to hide behind now. But if you look at his overall statistics he's pretty much in line with his previous 3 seasons, aside from a completion percentage that's about 4 points below his statistical norm. Which isn't saying much because in any given season he's always been a bottom 1/4 performer in most categories (actually I'm being generous here, in most categories he's technically a bottom 1/8th performer). The excpetion being his peak touchdown year last year, which landed him exactly as an average QB in that single category, #16 in the league. Every other state, bottom 1/4 or lower.
You have to make the comparison. Both QB's were being stomped for mental toughness and bad decision making by the NY media, the fans and a few of their teammates. Not to make the comparison is just stupid given the situations are so similar. Eli got lucky though. The Giants didn't let the talent on the team decline to the point that they were un-leadable. Just wait until Tebow gets in. You guys are going to be saying all the things about him and his chances that the Sanchez supporters are saying now.
I won't be, I'm not a Tebow fan. He runs a gimmick offense that long term doesn't work in the Pro's. Defenses overall are too big and fast, not to mention running that offense will cut his career by about 2/3rds because he'll be taking the damage of a Running back, and we know how long most running backs health holds up, the vast majority are done by age 30. In my opinion the Jets Franchise QB, or at least QB of the future is not currently on the Jets roster, or practice squad.
