If this is true... (Some Jets Players Resent Sanchez)

Sanchez has the physical ability of a Drew Brees, the football instincts of a Trent Dilfer, and the mental acumen of a Rex Grossman.

 

This is the main point for me. You watched Eli, and I have watched almost every snap he has ever taken in the NFL, and you always knew he got it. Yes, he got the dear in the headlights look at times, but then he would ssnap out of it. To pretend he is like Sanchez is ridiculous.

You watch Sanchez and several things are clear:

1. He cant read defenses.
2. He has no clue what to do when he sees a blitz.
3. He locks in on wr's.
4. He cant throw outside the numbers.
5. If he does get rid of it against the blitz, he loves to dump it off.
6. He thinks throwing into multiple coverage is a good idea.

The guy plays scared and just pointing to the numbers ignores everything I just said. All you need to do is watch 3 straight games to know he nothing special. And I dont care if you made him qb of the pro-bowl team and gave him the best OC in the history of the NFL, he would still be trash.

 

Look, that is fair. If he is here, he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. But, if he starts week 1, and late in the 3rd has just thrown his 3rd pick, he will officially be dead to me as the QB of the Jets, and if Rex lets him take another snap for this team, I will be the first to start a "Fire Rex" thread.

 

Yea, but what about his 4 playoff wins on the road?

 

this board is getting painful to visit - all it seems to consist of these days is obvious trolls and people that seem to enjoy the fact that the media is constantly bashing the team - it seems that they would be much happier posting on PFT than here.

although a number of the banned posters could be a bit forceful at times they are certainly missed at the moment.

 

Are you Woody's nephew or something? He flat out sucks. He's a rich guy with an expensive but lucrative plaything. He's not in the class of the small market guys who only win every few years because New York, and especially the media, won't let him. He cares about money, and not much else. As a season ticket holder I can say that without reservation.

 

While I am not by any means a Sanchezologist, I am not for going after a big name quarterback this season. We have too many other needs and no depth. Sacrificing the future even further to rip the team apart isn't smart at this juncture. Therefore, I generally argue for patience and optimism when speaking of him.

If we could somehow summon a magic genie that would allow a straight trade of one QB for another with no consequences to the cap or draft picks, then I'd make the change in a second. But that's not possible . And all the guys who want to run him out on a rail while appearing willing to take a grenade to the team are just reacting emotionally.

 

No. I'm a guy who watched Leon Hess run this thing into the ground over two decades and never lost sight of what a bad owner looks like.

Woody Johnson is in the upper echelon of new owners in the NFL at this point. He's not where the Rooneys or the Maras or the Irsays are because he doesn't have enough practical experience to go on at this point given he's only been running the team for a decade and all of those families have had their franchise for a generation or more.

Bob Kraft is kind of unique in that he had Bill Parcells coaching for him at the start and he inherited a lot of the better part of Bill Parcells organizational tree when Belichik defected to New England. he also got lucky with Brady, both in Drew Bledsoe getting hurt and in Brady turning into what he has turned into.

But compare Johnson to the guys who have bought teams in the last decade and he looks amazing. I posted a list the other day of the teams that have more wins in the AFC since 2006 than the Jets. Here is that list again with a slightly different tinge to it:

1. New England Patriots (Kraft - purchased Pats in 1994)
2. Pittsburgh Steelers (Rooney - purchased Steelers in 1933)
3. Indianapolis Colts (Irsay - purchased Colts in 1971)
4. San Diego Chargers (Spanos - purchased Chargers in 1984)
5. Baltimore Ravens (Bisciotti - Purchased Ravens in 2000/2004*)
* Co-owner with Art Modell from 2000 to 2004 and inherited Art Modell's business and football staff and kept them. Modell had been in the business since 1961.
6. Tennessee Titans (Adams - founded Oilers in 1960)

Notice a pattern here? Long time ownership dominates in the NFL for the most part. The Kraft exception is complex because Kraft schemed to get the team from 1984 on, buying up the land that was leased for Foxboro Stadium and using it as leverage to gain part and then full ownership of the Patriots. He also benefited greatly from having Bill Parcells when Parcells still gave a damn about where he was and then Belichik.

The Ravens situation is the other outlier but Art Modell and Bisciotti co-owned the team for 5 years and when Bisciotti got Modell's half of the team, with Modell retaining 1%, he also got Modell as a consultant. Art Modell still has an office at Ravens Park and is still consulted on a regular basis.

Woody Johnson is right behind the old blood at this point and he's only 10 years on the job. I'm guessing that when he has accumulated the knowledge that most of the teams above him have gotten via generational participation that his standing will be higher.

 

Using revis and mangold as examples is silly. Revis is the best cb in football, mangold is one of the best centers. Any number of other good players could be upgraded

For example, the jets went after aso even though they could have had cro. Im sure some jets players would have preferred asmo.

Jets players wanting manning is no different except msnning is the best qb in the last 10 years and Sanchez is just about average at his position.

 

Would you like it if other people told you that you suck at what you do?

No good comes out of this at all.

 

Yeah, but then he'll have to quit that when someone starts the "Mark Sanchez is uggly" thread on the Uggs message board.

 

With a revamped Oline, and a better QB coach, Mark WILL be back next season.

 

It doesn't look like it so far.

Also bumping to make a point, if there were players on the Jets who thought Mark was being coddled last year, what are they thinking this year?

 

"Damn where am I going to get paid now?" - Plaxico Burress

"Ow!" - Santonio Holmes

"No more football. Damn, what's next?" - LaDainian Tomlinson.

Not sure who else thought Sanchez was coddled and I'm not sure LT did either. His post-Jets comments have been cryptic to put it lightly.

Whatever else is true it's clear the Jets haven't coddled Sanchez this year. Not with the acquisition of Tebow and the total lack of support in terms of receivers.

 

I was thinking about this when I made after I made the reply. Did they get Stanton/Tebow to pressure Sanchez, or were those the best available options that really don't put pressure on Sanchez? Neither of them are as good as some of the other free agent QBs out there:

http://www.kffl.com//nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php

Then again, there were cap problems, so I guess Matt Flynn would have cost too much?

 

Sanchez was not coddled.

Maybe in the first rookie year. (His pass attempts have been restricted for a reason.) But after that, it is an emphatic NO.

The team systematically took away the protections, safety blankets and weapons step by step. That is not how you coddle your QB. (And then there was this moron Schottenheimer fucking things up from the top.)

 

By this standard, other quarterbacks in the league were tortured by comparison.

Sanchez in his first 3 seasons had NO COMPETITION whatsoever. The Kellen Clemens "competition" in his rookie year was just a formality that had to come to pass in order to create some buzz and legitimize a starting spot for Sanchez.

Sanchez has been coddled, players on the team see this, Jet fans looking at the situation objectively see this, and fans of other teams see this as well.

Sanchez has had the coach and owner behind him 100% without equivocation from the day he was drafted, other quarterbacks in the league do not enjoy this privilege. Sanchez never earned this status, Eli won a superbowl in 2007 and people were still unsure about cementing his status as a Giant, how much less does Sanchez deserve that kind of backing with his performance or lack thereof. Sanchez had a quarterback's best friends in his first two seasons, elite defense, and an elite running game. Is it any coincidence that when those two are not there in the same capacity that his performance goes down the drain?

 

Nobody else would have put pressure on like Tebow has. There's nothing like having a backup QB who doesn't have to throw well to get put in or keep the job once put in.

Anybody who would have put more pressure than Tebow would have just taken the job outright when they were signed.

What I still do not understand is why the Jets restructured Sanchez in a way that tied him to the team for several more seasons and then went out and got the worst possible backup QB - a guy almost guaranteed to be less polished and less consistent than Sanchez and yet to still exert a huge amount of pressure on him?

The move for Tebow kind of reminds me of the Dave Fiedler to backup Chad move. You have a backup now with many of the same issues that Sanchez does and yet he is even more limited.

That's just insane. I have to go with Woody really wanted somebody to try to jump-start attendance again if the Jets were bad and the no-shows began to be an issue. That's the only thing that makes sense.