Mike T and Rex should be on board until the ship completely sinks We've got a long way to go to get to that point I think
... ken, i'm curious when you are comparing RR head coach to BB head coach are you comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges? ... ... do you believe it's fair to compare RR as headcoach year 1,2,& 3 to BB year 1,2, & 3? ... or ... are you trying to compare RR year 1,2,& 3 to BB year 14,15,& 16? ... ... rex has certainly made plenty of mistakes in his first couple of season ( as BB did as well ) ... in contrast to that he has done plenty of things right as well ... ... time will tell if he minimizes the missteps and maximizes his assets ... Personally I think that Rex is a long term answer for the Jets. l_j_r
What does hosting say 1/2 of a SB since I am sure the NYGs are hosting the other 1/2 have anything to do with the teams performance on the field? Far more important to Woody is filling 27,000 UD seats whose tix holder have almost no rights to SB tix keeping there seats. Certainly you do not think do U that the NYJs will be the AFC entry in that SB now do U? :sad:
For sure Tannenbaum is gone if we miss again, especially after the idiotic Sanchez extension..usually that means a new head coach too but maybe there is a way Rex stays but I'm not sure how.
To OP: Yes. unless, it was due to injuries or some other Unforeseen circumstances. This is a win now team in a win now league. No more excuses. Get it done. Training camp should be absolute hell this year. We should be the fastest, toughest, most well-oiled machine.\ GROUND 'N POUND
^Greene can run, but he needs a solid back to compliment with him. Instead of trying to be a west coast offense we should focus on the ground 'n pound. Pennington was a great play-action passer and I believe Sanchez would be a much better play-action passer (he has a pretty good ball fake) If we can get defenses to start biting on the run Sanchez has a gun and he can kill defenses. (Sanchez's arm > far superior>>> than pennington) We have to get Braylon back or some receiver that blocks and gets separation. Greene takes a while to get going. It was great when we had Jones and Leon bc when Greene finally got his shot he was reving to go. Than LT came along, fairly fresh, and started the 2010 season off great. Greene took over mid-season and well into the playoffs. Greene is a second half of the year, play-off ready running back. Greene is a very good running back. I am very happy with Greene, he has power, speed and he isn't fumbling the ball anymore. He can push the pile and he can burn you on the outside. We need a running back that can catch footballs out of the backfield (greene sucks at this) We need a running back that is ready to go week 1 (Greene is notorious for starting out slow and getting into his comfort zone) wk6 or 7 on Greene can hurt you.
3 yards and a cloud of dust is not a winning formula in today's NFL. Combined record of the top 3 passing teams (NO, GB, NE) last year: 41-7 Combined record of the top 3 rushing teams (DEN, HOU, CAR) last year: 24-24
^ go beyond 2011 please. We are not a west coast team. The Jets are a running football team. Our coach’s mantra is Ground 'n pound. We have to be our identity
Isn't this argument really silly considering we have no idea what the record would be nor the circumstances behind that record? If the Jets go 4-12 with a healthy roster then I'm pretty sure the FO will be run out of town. If the Jets miss the playoffs at 10-6 with an injury riddled season and a couple of close losses... you get my point.
Actually RR should have already been exited by the way he embrassed the owner. Tanny should follow him because he a CPA not a GM :sad:
I mean yeah? Other than the fact that running the football is approaching a dominated strategy in the modern NFL. I don't think running the ball a ton is something you should really be looking for anymore unless you have a premiere type running back as an overall gameplan. We don't. Some run support would be very nice and even necessary, but I think the identity of this team eventually needs to start shifting to a team that calls on Sanchez to throw when they need points. Have to grow up and be a real football team eventually.
^ In order for Sanchez to throw and have any breathing room, we have to be able to run the football. I keep going back to Pennington bc he was a fantastic play-action passer. IMO Sanchez has all the quality to be an even better PA passer. Sanchez hides the football well, he is very mobile (making plays on his feet as well as with his cannon arm). Sanchez does not pass well in the pocket, especially since last year i don't even think you could call anything we had for protection "a pocket" it was more of a quickly collapsing wall. IMO if we can run the ball effectively (which we are capable of doing) we can kill defenses with the PA pass. We need the home run hitter, the game changer. A receiver who blocks and gets separation. If we start running the ball, Sanchez hides the football, the defense bites and we hit them deep with the home run, PA pass. We have to run.
We tried that approach before. The Giants game comes to mind. Green was gashing them via 4-5 yrds rushes, we were obviously very effectige running the ball. So what do we do? West coast offense, baby! Let's air that ball out 60+ times even though our running game is kicking their ass.
I don't understand how you can view the Sanchez deal as "idiotic"? We are only committed to him thru 2013 at a cost of only $2+million more guaranteed money and we freed up much needed cap space. The only thing that will make me view Tanny/Rex as idiotic is if they don't surround Sanchez with the tools he needs to succeed,ie O-line improvement and more play makers on offense.
This is the right answer. It depends. Two things I can add, the first is that I don't think Woody is all that patient. He got rid of Mangini after a decent season when Woody must have known the end of the season problems had something to do with Favre's injury. Yet Mangini was gone. Woody may not have much of a plan beyond not giving these guys too long a leash, but he does have that in his history. The second point is I think despite the fact Woody fired Mangini while keeping Tanny, that going forward Tanny is more on the hotseat than Ryan is. I am not saying Ryan is perfect. He has had his issues, and the foot thing had to be embarrassing to Woody. Then there were the locker room issues that came to light this season. Yet... I don't see how you can't trace most of the team's problems back to Tanny more than Ryan, and plus Woody seems to like Ryan. I understand some will say you can't hire a new GM and require him to accept an HC who, at that point would probably not have just completed a winning record. But I still think Tanny might go and Ryan stay.
Rex is a very handsome man and I'm sure the foot fetish doesn't hurt. The thing you have to ask yourself is it real love the kind that last forever or is it an infatuation? If it's the later Woody well may be fickle, not uncommon among good looking teenage girls and 60 plus NFL owners.
Unless the team completely falls apart next year, like 3 or 4 win bad, the FO and CS will get another year. Minimum of two more years for Tanny, Rex and Sanchez, hopefully a lot longer.
Carolina and Denver skew that a lot because they did a lot of QB running plays and were not a traditional running offense. Also add in that the Super Bowl winner was in neither category, well you need a balanced attack to win. That's why when Brady playactions out of his own endzone none of the Giants bite on it because they know the Pats don't run the ball.
Again, certainly a 3 win season would make it more than likely that Tanny and Ryan would go. But let's say there are no major injuries, Tanny has gone with Hunter again as his starting RT, makes no moves to improve wideout, RB and OLB, and Hunter sucks, Jets finish in the bottom quarter in passing, have no pass rush and TE's eat up the D, but somehow they still end up with 6 wins? I can see Tanny gone at that point, maybe not for sure, but more likely than not.
