Now you have me thikning...and I'm not on the fire Tanny bandwagon for the record.....but let's look at this list a little closer of his suppoed draft hits...already spoke about powell and keller... Wilson - i like him and he has progressed, but a 1st rd CB...should be expected to start immediately, at worst in yr 2. but because there was so little faith in him we had to go spend $8mm per to resign Cromartie. i have a problem with that... Connor - what exactly has he done?? if it wasnt for Hard Knocks, 95% of the board wouldnt even know who he was, to this day...marginal player at best. Coples - has done nothing yet, i have high hopes for him as do most, but u cant put him on this list until he actually plays a regular season game or 2.
Cut and resign shouldn't even have been an option. The guy is just a bad football player and he's an old bad football player. What is it about Tannenbaum and Rex that they're willing to have really bad in one sphere alongside good in another? Wayne Hunter may be a great teammate in the locker room but he's a really bad player. Santonio Holmes may be a great receiver on the field but he's a really bad teammate. We're not going to win anything if the team is full of people who have a real downside alongside their strengths. Tim Tebow may be a great leader but he's a really bad passer. It's like a plague with the front office that has lead to all sorts of really bad things hanging over the Jets because those things also are maybe really good in another way. Really bad is really bad. Unless the guy is absolutely necessary on the field you can't afford to have him around. Big Ben was necessary. The Steelers couldn't get rid of him. Santonio got dealt for nothing because the Steelers know that you can't have too many really bad things hanging over the team all the time and still maintain a team. I wish the Jets would figure that out. This carnival they've assembled over the last couple of years is always waiting for something really bad to happen. Most of the time when you're in that position something really bad happens.
For a while I think the Jets front office thought it was X-mas, picking up talent with character issues for next to nothing. Edwards, Holmes, etc. These type of players are fine when the team is winning and they're getting their touches. But watch out when the team faces some adversity. You started to see just the tip of the ice burg at the end of last season.
In regards to Br4d's comments about Tebow... Man, I know you live on the dark side, so you have visions of Sanchez getting hurt and Tebow throwing ducks for 8 games and the Jets go 4-12. I get it. But can you acknowledge his ability as a football player? Not a QB, but as a pure weapon on the field? Because he is a scary motherfucker with the ball in his hands. I don't ever want him to be the signal caller, but if there is a lightning-in-a-bottle player on this roster, it's Tebow. Distrust of Rex's pressers may be a good weapon as well. He keeps saying that Tebow isn't a starting option. I tend to believe that. But what he can provide, being on the field up to 20 snaps, that lightning can help win games. Tebow WILL help win games for the Jets no matter the media coverage. Probably in an unexpected fashion for the naysayers. And maybe halfway through the season you will find it in yourself to recognize that and start a thread about it. But I will also acknowledge that it could be the Hindenburg. Anyone can be struck by lightning in a bottle that has significant cracks in it. The Jets had a lot of cracks in 2009-2010 that made me envision a crash. Even with Edwards and Holmes being what they were. Believe the hype about Tebow's locker room presence. I have no way of denying it's effectiveness.
I just don't understand why it is so hard to see Tebow as a manifestation of the type of player Rex wants in the offense and not even as the starting QB. Rex is concerned about one thing... winning. Its easy to come up with conspiracy theories about Woody Johnson selling tickets (considering how frequently I get calls from the Jets to buy tickets I'm guessing Tebow hasn't sold out the stadium) but when you look at Rex's words and actions in the past Tebow makes complete sense for his team. First of all, he covets players that have burned him in the past... look no further than Santonio Holmes. Santonio Holmes cost Rex a Super Bowl... now he's a Jet. Tebow contributed to costing Rex a playoffs... now he's a Jet. See the pattern? Further... Rex has been very vocal about wanting ground and pound AND the wildcat in the offense. You can debate until the end of time whether that can actually work... it doesn't matter. What does matter is that Rex wants it to be part of the offensive identity and honestly, what is scarier in a goal line situation than a run blocking specializing 7 man o-line (yes I'm including Hunter and Ducasse here), a power running back and fullback, oh and Tim Tebow. As a defense... where do you focus your blitz? Schematically its a nightmare. The problems the Jets have experienced so far in the passing game have little to do with what Tebow could contribute in the running game. The Jets need to get it going because without a vertical passing game there is no ground and pound. I really just don't think this is the cheap publicity stunt many are hyping it to be.
If Tebow was a fullback I'd be really happy about having him on the team. As a QB all he'll do is de-stabilize the locker room and eventually wind up as a hard ceiling on our chances on the field. You can't do the things that he does on an NFL field for very long. Teams have film on him. As hard as he is to bring down it's not like the NFL hasn't been figuring out how to tackle people who are hard to get down for a long time now. The last 5 games last season Tebow went 49 for 120 throwing the ball. That's a 40.8% completion percentage. He threw for 891 yards doing that. That is a pretty impressive 7.4 yards a pass attempt, particularly given his horrible completion percentage. However when you look at his completions you see 80, 49, 47, 41, 40, 39, 34 mixed in the numbers. On 7 passes he threw for 330 yards, on the other 113 he threw for 551. In other words teams bunched up to stop the run and he got some one-on-ones down the field that his receivers, particularly Demaryius Thomas turned into profit. The other 113 passes he was terrible. He had a 37.1 completion percentage on those passes for 4.9 yards an attempt and he threw 4 interceptions and was sacked 15 times on them. This is just a terrible NFL QB we're talking about here. Great player, who will get shut down pretty reliably as the video continues to accumulate, but not anything more than a shooting star and last year was as good as it is going to get. Now if he moves to a position other than QB? Well he's probably going to be a big plus for the team that can pull off that move.
its hilarious how at some point all threads morph into ledge jumping tebow tantrums. this thread is for trashing the GM. If you want to trash Tebow you need to take that over to the Tebow section where you can tell everybody how much Tim Tebow sucks ad nauseum.
Excellent post, but I would point out...In Denver he was asked to be the QB fulltime, something everyone agrees is not what he does best. That is not going to be his roll here. What he does do very well is confuse defenses for pretty decent gains and he can throw well enough to burn those defenses who over commit to the run. I don't think he alone will be our savior (no pun intended) this season, but he can be as effective on offense as anyone, although not as a strictly passing QB.
That is a really lame "major reason" for trashing Mr. T - its actually laughable. - if the yahoos are trashing Mr. T for trading a 4th rd pick for a great backup qb who can run the wildcat better than anybody else in the nfl - then they are absolutely nuts and should be banished over to Planet Tebow if they want to trash Tim Tebow. Otherwise, what is the point of even having the Tebow section since the ledgejumpers wind up trashing him in nearly every thread? For all we know, Woody ordered the trade - i would not be at all surprised to find out that Woody and/or Rex were the driving forces for trading a 4th rd pick for Tebow. So to harp on Tebow page after page in a thread that is supposed to be about trashing Mr. T is not necessarily even on point. Besides all that, even if you think Tebow is lousy - trading a 4th round pick for a backup QB that runs the wildcat is not even a bad decision - if Tebow sucks then we cut him. If he plays well - Great. either way, its just a freaking 4th round pick. If using a 4th rd pick to get a backup QB w/great experience and talent is the big critique of the Mr. T haters then they are clearly nuts and should be banished to Planet Tebow where they can all cry and whine about how Tebow sucks and how he'll never be any good etc. etc. etc. If thats the big indictment of Mr. T - trading a 4th rd pick for Tebow - then this entire thread is ludicrous. it was a perfectly decent move, kudos to Woody for ordering Mr. T to make it.
I don't think this is how it's going to work though. He was more effective running out of the option in Denver than he is likely to be here. Teams never knew if he was going to carry the ball or not on any given down. Here he's going to be coming in in a package that is designed to have him run the ball most of the time. If you think Belichik had an easy time shutting Tebow down last season, and I think he did, you have to wonder whether the wildcat will have any value at all when it's obvious what's coming when Tebow is in the game.
This is missing the point. The Jets had bigger holes than backup QB/WC QB when they made the trade. They had WR, S, blocking TE, OL holes. Backup QB we actually had Stanton and McElroy. That's why people are discussing it. Yes Tebow can help, but was it the best decision for the team at the time? As we see now, Hunter was not the answer and the 4th and 6th could have been used to bolster that weakness or out OL depth issue which we haven't addressed either
Yes Tebow for a 4th was an awesome pick up - great move to immediately have a positive impact on the offensive side of the ball. i would much rather have a solid backup QB who can run the wildcat offense to perfection than have a rookie OT to add to the depth chart. If you would prefer massie to Tebow we can agree to disagree, but woody and rex and Mr. T obviously disagreed w/you. Using a 4th rd pick to get Tebow was a great move. Maybe you should give Tebow a chance and watch how the season goes before you immediately condemn the move.
A 4th and a 6th used on a RT puts us where, exactly? No chance we find a player capable of replacing hunter on the get go for those picks. Would a four and sixth plus our 1st have given us Kalil? I doubt it. We got the 6th pick back anyway, so really it was just a 4th and no 4th round OT is going to start 1st game in the NFL. Our running game needed a boost, enter Tebow. No surprise there. I agree we should have addressed it earlier, but who knows. Maybe he tried. Either way we'll probably find out Monday. Howard was drafted the same year as Ducasse. Perhaps they shall both emerge and lead us for years to come.
You are in the minority both on this board and among respected sports analysts. Tbow is an example of one of many bad decisions by Tanny that have hurt this teams depth. He isn't a good QB, he wasn't worth a 4th, we had other needs that should have been addressed in the draft, he is a distraction, etc
