Couple of points. First is that you have a finite number of draft picks. You don't burn one of those picks every year on a QB. Teams don't do it because it would be silly to. Secondly, after a QB is drafted, one year/season isn't enough time usually to tell how he is progressing. If he hasn't started or played in games yet, you have nothing to really judge him on. If he has some quality game time, it won't be enough to really gauge his abilities as very few just walk right into the NFL and light things up. You also don't want a young QB looking over his shoulder as his time will be spent trying not to fail, rather than learning how to operate as a QB. What I mean by this is that you expect young QBs to make mistakes. They will think they can squeeze a ball into a place only to find out that they can't. They'll believe that they can zing the ball past a defender only to find out that the DB is much faster than he thought. You know, things they call "rookie mistakes". If the young QB is looking over his shoulder, he won't even try these kinds of things as he will be paranoid about making mistakes. What you are advocating is basically a merry go round at the QB position and burning high draft picks on QBs year after year in the hopes that somewhere along the lines, you'll end up with someone who can walk right in and be a franchise QB. That is an extremely rare occurrence unless you happen to be drafting in the top 3 each year.
Lol at the Tebow fanatic giving out NFL quarterback pointers. To actual JET fans. I see an Eagle fan forum in someone's future. _
Well Stokes, history has shown that someone has to explain QB development to the Jets, seeing as how they have sucked at it for quite some time. Perhaps you should take notes ?
http://www.people.com/article/tim-tebow-tryout-philadelphia-eagles-legacy Tim Tebow: I Want to Build a Legacy Greater than Football 170SHARES 0 CommentsSUBSCRIBE Tim Tebow J. DENNIS THOMAS/CORBIS BY STEVE HELLING @stevehelling 03/20/2015 AT 08:05 AM EDT It was the news that Tim Tebow fans have been waiting for. On Monday, the former NFL quarterback was invited to try out for the Philadelphia Eagles, a development that could signal his long-awaited return to the NFL. For the past two years, Tebow has worked tirelessly on his throwing accuracy. Recently, he has trained extensively with Tom House, an elite throwing coach who has also worked with Tom Brady. It seems to be working: House told Bleacher Report that Tebow's accuracy has improved significantly. Keep up with your favorite celebs in the pages of PEOPLE Magazine by subscribing now. It remains to be seen whether Tebow will ultimately end up on a roster, but even the possibility has energized his fan base. By Wednesday, his name was trending worldwide on Twitter, with the majority of Tweeters sending favorable sentiments to Tebow and the Eagles. As passionate as Tebow is about football – and make no mistake, he is very, very passionate – the 27-year-old tells PEOPLE that his charity work is ultimately more important than any achievements he has on the field. 'A Legacy Greater than Football' Spend any time with Tebow, and he'll talk about his life's passions: his faith, football, and his charity work. Just two days before reporting to practice, Tebow was on a golf course in Florida, headlining the Tim Tebow Foundation's 5th annual Celebrity Gala & Golf Classic. He was joined by two dozen celebrities, including Jake Owen and Evander Holyfield, to raise funds for the children that the Foundation serves around the world. The event was a success: the previous night's gala had raised a record amount of funds that would be used for the Foundation's outreach. Walking along the golf course with PEOPLE, Tebow was in a fantastic mood – and clearly thinking about things other than football. "Everyone needs to do something greater than themselves, to do something for other people," he says. "That's why we're here; that's why we're always looking for more ways that the Foundation can help others. I want to build a legacy that is greater than football." Tim Tebow at his Foundation's golf classic COURTESY TIM TEBOW FOUNDATION And that legacy is getting bigger all the time. The Foundation has many facets, including "Timmy's Playrooms" in children's hospitals, the W15H program that grants wishes to sick teens, and a five-story hospital in the Philippines. The Foundation also includes Orphan Care, a program that provides support to orphans and grants to families adopting children with special needs. Last month, the Foundation introduced Night to Shine, a worldwide prom night for people with special needs. The Night to Shine, in particular, had an unintended impact on Tebow. During the event, he visited proms in two different states, and found himself nearly moved to tears by the experience. "I had a mother come up to me and say, 'My daughter will never get married. She will never have children. But for this one night during the prom, she was a princess.' That just blew me away. That's why I do what I do. That's why this is my passion." The NFL and Beyond Even as the possibility of a renewed NFL career looms on the horizon, Tebow has a lot of other irons in the fire. In addition to his work at the Foundation, he is an on-air SEC Network analyst. "I love it," he says. "The people I work with are great, and I really am happy there." He also does regular segments on Good Morning America, where he spotlights feel-good human interest stories. (In one memorable segment last December, he surprised holiday shoppers in Orlando by paying off their layaway purchases.) And other offers keep emerging – although Tebow has to take a wait-and-see attitude as he determines what will materialize with the NFL. "I have a lot of exciting opportunities coming up," he says. "I have a lot of plans, other things to do. I'm always open to new things." Despite his busy schedule, he continues to find time for his training regimen. "Football really means a lot to me," he told PEOPLE. I wouldn't work as hard as I do if I didn't care so much about it. I train about six days a week. I'm training at the same intensity as I did when I was playing football. I've done it for my entire life and I love it. I try to be active and to keep my body in the best shape I can possibly be in." And as for the charity work? "I'll never stop doing it," Tebow says. "It's a big part of who I am." Tim Tebow and a young fan COURTESY TIM TEBOW FOUNDATION AROUND THE WEB
Hey Cupcake, I do believe that YOU are the one who keeps dragging Tebow into the discussion. Its my first mention of the guy on this forum in years.
Apologize WW85 but if I'm going to be lectured about the Jets and QBs and who fits our franchise and how to develop them and who we should take and not take, I think it's entirely appropriate to set the criteria each of us have for QBs. I'm ACTUALLY a Jet fan, loved Namath and O'Brien and Pennington and Sanchez. I've been an ACTUAL Jet fan since 1969. I don't appreciate a non-Jet fan who showed up here because he was banned from every other Jet site on the Internet because of his mania about a player who we can't mention for fear of being banned to lecture ME about the qualifications for who makes a good NFL QB or who MY Jets should pick or not pick. If it's inappropriate that I point out who this bot is and who his hero is as an NFL QB, I apologize. _
What is inappropriate is getting off topic (Hijacking) in a MM thread. If You want to start a Tebow thread in the NFL section you're more than welcome. Just trying to get order in this forum, I appreciate your cooperation. So Let's get back on topic!!
Sorry, but your points don't make any sense. No one said anything about drafting a QB EVERY year. That's ridiculous. Learn to read. You made the point in your previous post that no one drafts a QB in the following draft after having taken one the year before. All I said was that I see no reason not to take one in the succeeding draft if the QB you took the year before was taken in the 2nd round or lower. Historically, the overwhelming majority of those QBs don't ever develop into quality starters. I also disagree that one year isn't enough time to tell how a QB is progressing. I realize that backup QBs don't get many, if any, reps during the season, except perhaps as a scout QB. Maybe if teams kept 4 QBs when they have a rookie that needs to work on fundamentals so he didn't have to function as the scout QB, those rookie QBs could have more time to focus on those fundamentals and develop faster, and there'd be more good QBs in the NFL. If he has footwork issues and isn't having to worry about preparing to play in upcoming games, he has time to focus on his footwork. If he struggled with making reads and going through progressions, you can get a good idea of his recogniti0n in the film room. If he has a slow delivery, a hitch in his throw, and/or if his arm angle isn't right the QB coach can tell by watching him throw and working with him, if he is correcting that and throwing the ball with better technique. You can't tell how he will perform in games and you won't know everything, but you can know if he is making progress. If what you say is true about QBs looking over their shoulders then why do teams bring in other QBs to push or to compete with those rookie QBs? Yes, some undoubtedly do get nervous, but not all will. I didn't say anything about pressuring the QB or hassling him about rookie mistakes, either. Most teams don't have one good QB, much less two. We all know that there's a shortage of good QBs in the NFL. There has to be a way to improve the number of good QBs in the NFL. Perhaps the same old way of handing QBs doesn't work. Maybe it's time for the NFL to try something different, think outside the box and see if they can have better success developing QBS. The thing is that QBs have been babied and pampered. Perhaps if they were treated more like regular football players, they'd have a little more mental toughness, and wouldn't feel pressured or be looking over their shoulders. If what you say is true, then why did the Jets have a QB competition between Sanchez and Geno? Why did they bring in Fitz? The fact is, teams DO have QB competitions and there is pressure for them to develop. I'm not advocating any such thing as a merry go round. That's just some BS you made up because you don't agree with my premise, so you're grabbing at straws to try to discredit it. I'm sorry that you don't have enough imagination or vision to see how that can work and in fact DOES work in some situation, or are too lazy to spend time thinking about it. I'm also sorry that you don't want to have an intelligent discussion about the idea, so resort to making crap up and trying to twist my words to say something I never said.
Uhhh, newslflash for you Stokes, this site is the only one that I was ever banned from and it was a temp ban which was lifted after a short passage of time. That I have a different opinion of a certain QB doesn't invalidate my views on other QBs, or how teams should develop them. If you want to take issue with any of the things I have said, then stand the F*** up and do so. BTW, much of what I have said in this thread has been argued by others here as well, so it's not like I'm standing out making some wildly ridiculous claims. At most, I'm stating ideas that YOU happen disagree with. SO the F*** what ? If you have a counter argument to make, step up and offer it. If you don't want to engage in the conversation, then stay the hell out of it. I mean, it's not like someone is standing there forcing you to hit the reply button. That's your own choice.
Banned from JI. Yes you were. And your anger is duly noted but your opinion about NFL QBs is indelibly colored by your repeated and pathologically insane defense of the absolute worst football player ever to try to call himself a quarterback. But do carry on. _
It's an extension of your logic. If you take a QB in the 2nd round one year and have no problem with taking another QB in the very next draft, then why not take a QB in the draft after that ? And the one after that ? Etc, etc, etc. About the only time 1 year would be enough time to evaluate a young QB is if he's absolutely positively incapable of doing even the most rudimentary aspects of the job of QB. I mean, he'd basically have to come in and ask "Uhhh, what's Cover 2" and "what do you mean when you say 'Passing Concepts'". Most teams don't bring in other young QBs to push their young guys initially. If you have a young QB as the starter, first you bring in an older vet to act as a mentor to him. That's not a situation where the young guy is looking over his shoulder. After the young QB has a good number of starts under his belt, then someone else might be brought in the kind of push/challenge him to try and get him to raise the level of his game. Heh, the Jets under Ryan, Tanny and Idzik probably isn't the best example to use for QB development, but let's go with it. I'd argue that Sanchez was pampered and the Jets did bring Geno in to provide him some competition. That falls squarely within the process that I have discussed as Sanchez was no longer a "young QB" at that point. He was a veteran. Geno ended up being the starter after Sanchez got injured. Next season, the Jets brought in Vick. This wasn't to compete with Geno, rather, it was to be that Veteran mentor. Geno had the keys to the car so to speak. Geno now has 2 seasons and 29 starts under his belt. This would be getting close to the time to look at bringing in some competition to hopefully spur him along, though having a vet mentor is still a good idea. Have to also add in the fact that there's a new coach and a GM, neither of which have any attachment to Geno. Again, it's the continuation of your logic. Here is what you said "When you draft your QB in the 2nd round or lower, I see nothing at all wrong with drafting another QB the following year."
