Get the man a real 3-4 defensive line ESPECIALLY AT NT and then we can talk about Vilma. The 3-4 has people depending on each other even more than the 4-3. You need to get a real line if you want the lbs to be able to do what they're meant to do. We all know Vilma is a great player.. lets get some people around him.
here's the big problem with targeting vilma. NONE OF THE LINEBACKERS ARE PLAYING WELL! so should we just scrap the linebackers and bring in four new linebackers. You think that will help. I've said it before and ill say it again. The D-Line is the problem. Each one is taking up one blocker and they still cant penetrate. Just about every play i see the linebackers have to fight off blocks from a wall of guards and centers. NO LB CAN CONSISTENTLY SHED BLOCKS FROM INTERIOR LINEMAN! we can't truly evaluate linebackers if the d-line is so atrocious. look at the pats success. they have an incredible d-Line for the 3-4. They continuously plug in no-name linebackers and they make plays. I rarely see the pats linebackers go up against interior lineman so they are in the position to make plays. The 3-4 is contingent on a solid D-line which the jets do not have. Do not blame vilma or think to move him or get rid of him when his potential is limited by the D-line and the scheme. We need a stellar D-line to see what vilma can do before even considering shipping him out
this is b/s...vilma is still an impact player and leader on the jets...i really hope they do not trade him...the jets can never keep there 1st round picks for more then 3 years...(cept bad ones) we already lost our biggest pass rusher..and it looks like robertson beacause " he doesnt fit either"....mangini has that 3-4 stuck in his ass....we need to go back to the 4-3..
Why is it that all of our "star" players need everything around them to be perfect before they can excel? Vilma needs a D-Line. Chad needs better run blocking. I thought "stars" elevate the play of those around them, not depend on others to pick them up. I guess it's only our "stars" that need all this help huh? Excuses are like assholes.... everybody's got one.
vilma doesn't possess the size or the WINGSPAN to be a successful pass rushing olb, plus he doesnt have good pass rushing moves, he rarely beats og's 1v1 on his blitzes, he is an ideal 4-3 mlb in the tampa 2 scheme, possibly a good run stuffing saftey, but then lockdown corners are needed, and we have david"the double move"barett
Well, at OLB, Vilma wouldn't be our primary pass-rushing OLB.... That'd be either Hobson or Thomas... Vilma's blitzes would probably more often be when we were bringing at least 5 rushers, giving him the opportunity to use his speed alone coming off the edge... And as far as moves go.... There is nothing that is easier to learn and perfect on the defensive side of the ball, than a good rip or swim move.... A well-conditioned player with a strong base and enough practice reps can develop a decent arsenal of pass-rushing moves in no time...
the rip and swim moves are used most by edge rushers, who are usually over 6'2 with long arms, also vilma is too small to bullrush a og
You don't need long arms, at all, for an effective rip move, especially... In fact, a low center of gravity is probably the best physical feature a player can posses when trying to develop an effective rip move... It's much harder for those taller players to get get leverage with their initial shove (often with their outside hand) and dip that inside shoulder..... A swim I can see where you'd be coming from, but it's completely unnecessary to be tall to develop a decent pass-rushing arsenal.... Especially when you have a 2 or 3 yard headstart and also occasionally the element of surprise, coming in as a semi-infrequent blitzer
I just dont like the idea of trading away a guy this good because of a scheme... But i'd do it just for the simple fact David Harris is on this team.... Well see what happens at the end of the season, hed do great in KC..... Lets see what happens in a few months, maybe we can get a coach wholl use a 4-3 defense and help us out...
I don't want to see Vilma go. I wish the coaching staff would play to his strengths. The defense should be built around him, not the other way around. Vilma could be a star in this league, and the Jets are fools for not making him one.
^^^^^ perfectly said above... plus what if harris is a bust..shit in 2-3 years they would trade harris any like they alway do..vilma is top 5..and because of his age in 2-3 years hell b #1
Excellent points. I am seeing the same thing with their OL driving right on the LBs without any interference. it's pathetic!
BTW I just read that Vilma has been playing with an "undisclosed injury". I had seen it posted somewhere else yesterday, but just read it in Hutchinson's column. i am having some browser issue right now, so i cant copy paste it here.
thats deff all b/s...there gettin harris ready...remember when every1 was talkin bout trading up 4 reggie bush??? we would have had him prob for 2 years and traded him....there office is terrable and cheap
You cant move him now but give him an Off-Season of training for the SS spot and think he could do it. If he loses ten pound of fat, why cant he gain speed to be a SS?
You all are retarted who are saying he isnt tall enough to be an outside linebacker...the PREMIER rushing outside linebackers are around 6'3 or 6'4. Vilma is 6'1. Im not asking Vilma to be the best, im just saying 2 or 3 inches isnt that dramatic. Vilma is also a lot faster than Merriman (40 time and shuttle run). I would give up a couple inches for speed anyday, especially when he wouldnt even be the one blitzing most the time (Bryan Thomas). He could definately still run contain and keep the plays towards the inside of the field and cover better then almost any OLB. Give it a try? Your 1-6.
My sentiments exactly..... It is very rare that hopeless teams improve by staying put.... Sure, it's not traditional to have a 6'1 player at OLB, but then again, ten to fifteen years ago it was not traditional to have smaller faster guys playing DE.... The position has evolved.... Seeing as how the 3-4 was once quite uncommon in the league, now that it is being utilized by a great number of teams, it is only natural that the scheme evolves.... Who knows, maybe that evolution includes having a smaller, faster guy as your non-blitzing LB....
