Don't think there's any need to refer to a different opinion as 'whining'. Lots of people think we need to concentrate on the offensive line, whether we trade down, stand pat or whatever. This whole idea of draft value is overhyped. If you can get a quality 10-year starter does it really matter if you draft him at 6 or 16? If BPA is a defensive lineman it would sicken me to see him drafted.
If you really believe that value is over-hyped I need to come up with a stronger term than whining. There is a reason some teams seem to go to the playoffs every year and that reason is draft value. The Dallas Cowboys are a prime example.
Yeah but he has relatively low-mileage on him from always being a role player. I almost see him as a poor man's Curtis Martin because he seems to get better with age. He still has 2 years before he hits 30. I would imagine he could play until 32 and beyond if he wanted to.
I agree that as long as you get a good player drafting 6 or 16 doesn't matter. But that 6 pick has value, and if you can trade down and get that 16th pick player + an additional pick that's the goal. More picks lead to better drafts if your name isn't Idzik.
Drafting for the D at 6th pick?? Yeah right... Well its Deja Vu all over again Can anyone research a good OL guy? As I recall Mac tied to trade up for that dopehead Tunsil Gemme Fournette or fix that OL ...Lets get smart here
It's a roll of the dice. Powell plays well in the type of spread offense Chan runs. Will he be as good with more of a tighter formation? He was stuffed pretty good on a few of those short yardage up the gut plays ran yesterday.
Yeah but we have Mo under a massive contract and Williams looking like he will be one of the best in the league. If we continue to play 3-4, that just leaves out a nose tackle, which you don't draft with the 6th overall. If we draft a "DE" it will be because he is playing as an outside linebacker/passrusher though the optics of seeing that would still suck.
Show me how Dallas put that OL together FIRST Then used a high draft pick on Ezekial ...Lucked out with Dak Start with the basics
If no one wants S Richardson in off season have him just do 2 things : stop the run and act as a DE or pure pass rusher No coverage drops for him
He is an excellent rusher from a 3-4 defensive end standpoint, but in the 3-4 its usually the outside linebackers who are the pass rushers designed to get to the QB. 300 lb linemen can disrupt offensive lines and get to the QB, but their primary job is the former not that the latter as they do not have that kind of speed that guys 50 pounds lighter have.
Dallas didn't just throw high draft picks at whatever lineman was available, they got very good players with each of those first round picks. You could make a very good argument that all three first rounders were BPA. Dallas picked Zack Martin who was probably the best guard available in a five year span. Dallas picked their left tackle Tyron Smith at ninth overall. Wisconsin churns out plenty of great offensive linemen, Travis Frederick was no exception. While the Cowboys used a first round pick on their left tackle in 2011, they drafted no offensive linemen the following year. When the Cowboys took interior linemen with their first round picks back to back in 2013 and 2014 they defied the conventional wisdom that "you can always find interior linemen on day two".
There ya go! Start someplace over a 3 year period with OL as your goal but my goodness gracious START So this year maybe by Round 4 we get 2 O tackles in Jon Heck UNC and Forrest Lamp from W Kentucky who can also play at Guard
It would've been a nice combination had they used both of them correctly and split touches. I believe the stat was that Powell has the highest percentage of runs of 10+ yards in the NFL. Give Forte the touches early in the game and let Powell finish the game off. Early in the year we only used Powell in clusterfuck plays like the shove pass we refused to abandon.
If we'd had a veteran HC who didn't feel like he had to respect the older guy, they could have played on Forte's ego early and pulled him each time he pulled that dead-leg juke inside for half a yard. I saw a few times where Forte got pissed when they put Powell in, Powell gets a nice gain, then Forte comes in and gets his own nice gain. I know you can't just insert random RBs into any play but the gameplan Gailey had seemed so inflexible. Plus, his stupid ass team keeps bringing in veteran, far past their prime RBs and giving them the lion's share and wasting the ability of younger backups who can actually help the game plan. And we haven't had an innovator OC... maybe ever. It's simply pathetic.
I like the play design Gailey offers, but his play calling is just mind boggling sometimes with the 5 wide receiver 3rd & 1 or 2 sets and the stubbornness to continually call the same god damn play over and over again despite it not being successful. Two Powell shovel passes in, I would've tossed the play in the garbage. We ran it nearly every game it seemed for 6 weeks despite the fact that it didn't work. We need to invest a mid round draft pick in a runningback, and stop messing around with these over the hill signings. Outside of one dreadful year of Shonn Greene starting, and one crappy year of Leon, we've had a veteran runningback every year since I can remember. Curtis Martin to Thomas Jones to LT and now to Forte. It's really unbelievable sometimes that we haven't tried to get younger at a poisition that sours quicker than any other in the NFL. Powell will be 30 by the time we use him. We also gave him and Forte the same exact contract, which made no sense to me. Draft a runningback, run him into the ground for the first 4-5 years of his career and move on like every other franchise does. Also to add to it, good college runningbacks come into the NFL with usually around 500 touches on their resume. That's about two NFL seasons of tread, which is the reason they're shot by 30. Hence why you don't invest a first round pick in them. It just seems so Jet-like to take Fournette who with our luck will have a short career plagued by injuries with this franchise.
Well they only need to draft 8 more and then we could have a d lineman play every position on the defense
These conventional wisdoms always bother me. Way back in the day, I was clamoring for Ed Reed & was constantly told that you don't draft safeties in Rd 1. Since then, everyone has been looking for the next Ed Reed. If you can get a future All-Pro Pro or Pro-Bowler at any position, he's worth the pick.
I'm always in favor of the BPA. If they plan to clean house over the next two offseasons (Sheldon & Mo), then another DE isn't the end of the world.
