Ian Rapoport : David Garrard No Longer a Jet?

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by DMarsh6, May 15, 2013.

  1. fltflo

    fltflo Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2008
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    41
    Guys,
    Mark Sanchez under center for the NY Jets spells disaster. Let me tell you why, even if he can improve slightly in his play which is doubtful. Mark is not mentally strong, once the fans really turn on him this season he will crumble. If he has fan booing him constantly and the press hounding him he will never stand up. You may not see it in public but behind closed doors this kid will be a mental wreck. Believe me with Geno sitting on the sidelines, they will all, fans and press, be clamoring for him to start. An I still believe he needs to have a year to watch and learn so we don't end up with another Sanchez.
    You all must understand , the Jets didn't try bring Manning in because they thought Mark was the QB of the future. They did so because they realized, he is never going to be the elite QB he was projected to be. Mark got the extension from our dumb ass former GM because they knew if they didn't do something, Mark was goon to be useless for the upcoming season. I know we did not have the best talent around him last season and it did hurt him somewhat. Yet , again, what you all must realize is that elite QB's still find ways to win games against teams they should beat. Mark personally lost at least four games last year we should have won. Mark has all the physical tools he just doesn't have the mental tools, he is the Jets ,Jeff George.
    This is why we need to find a solid veteran capable of coming in and pushing and teaching our young guys,Smith & McElroy. A vet who can start this season and play at a high level in MM system with the promise of having a chance to continue again next season if he can beat out the kids.
    If it means we have to give up a pick in next years draft so be it. We have to do this for the good of the whole team and fan base. The one positive is , we will have many picks next year and sacrificing a third rounder, while painful, will not cripple the Jets draft for next season.
    So, we need to find that veteran soon, should be first priority for Idzik. Once that is done we need to move Mark after June 1. Again another painful decision but one that must be made. Having Mark here will be a huge distraction to the new QB they bring in and to Geno and GMac.
    It is my hope that the veteran they bring in will be a QB that Marty already is familiar with and who is familiar with him and his system. There are a few of them out there and it would be worth the price for that QB to have that foundation in place. Then it would be just a matter of learn the players and fitting in. Another plus is, he will be able to really teach both Geno and GMac from experience and not a playbook.
     
  2. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,454
    Likes Received:
    393
    The offense, has always been a decent coordinator away. Not any longer.
     
  3. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,454
    Likes Received:
    393
    On the Bench training.
     
  4. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,454
    Likes Received:
    393
    Yeah, I'm a Pats troll. Man that extra chromosome did a number on you.
     
  5. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2004
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    5,512
    The only surprise in this news is that any Jets fans actually expected Garrard to start.
     
  6. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,454
    Likes Received:
    393
    Thats how unbalanced the haters are....now theyre doubling down on Smith.
     
  7. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    4,970
    Sanchez starts game 1 unless Geno shows some amazing shit during camp or Sanchez did recover from AZ and TN game.

    The media wants Sanchez gone so they can say I told you so and start killing Geno. The fans are amazing it is good for the franchise if Sanchez turns around his career.

    The hate WTF? If he fails he will be replaced soon enough. Rex thinks this team can win and win now they are not an experienced team like in '08 so any chance of them winning in on Sanchez. The transition from a WV style offense to that of an NFL offense is huge and will take Geno sometime he is not the type of QB to start right away he needs time on the bench.

    Geno is not a Pistol QB and will not have that to be able to bail him out while he learns ala RG3 and Cam newton.
     
  8. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,802
    Likes Received:
    54
    Why does he need time on the bench? So your boy can lose us games by turning the ball over? Please...
     
  9. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,802
    Likes Received:
    54
    I was being sarcastic, hence the smiley. God...
     
  10. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    To increase the chances that Jets fans get off to an angry start in what is likely a rebuilding year?

    The old conventional wisdom: keep the rookie QB on the bench for a season, go with a stopgap starter, insert the rookie in case of injury or if the team is really bad and you want to get him some reps later in the year.

    Recent examples: Michael Vick 2000, Drew Brees 2000, Carson Palmer 2003, Jay Cutler 2006, JaMarcus Russell 2007.

    In the case of a team with a good incumbent starter you always kept the rookie on the bench for a season or more after he was drafted.

    Recent examples: Chad Pennington 2000 (Vinny), Byron Leftwich 2002 (Brunell) Philip Rivers 2004 (Brees), Aaron Rodgers 2005 (Favre), and done (this doesn't seem to happen any more).

    The teams that broke the mold in the two cases above were the Pittsburgh Steelers and the NY Giants - the teams that have won 4 Super Bowl over the last 8 seasons.

    In the case of the Steelers they were clearly planning to go with option 1: play a stopgap QB in Tommy Maddox until Roethlisberger was ready to go. Maddox got hurt early and the Steelers inserted the rookie and never looked back on the way to one of the NFL's great all-time seasons.

    In the case of the Giants it appeared very much as though they were going to go with a mix of option 1 and 2: play a good vet in Kurt Warner who was also a stopgap until Eli was ready. They switched plans in mid-season and threw away a playoff spot to play Eli. Obviously the entire organization had a plan here and Eli had stakeholders all over the place because of the trade that acquired him.

    Since those moves began to pay off with Super Bowl wins the strategy of playing a rookie QB very early has become the rule, not the exception. Most of the rookie QB's who will start a full season for their team at some point play a lot in their rookie season.

    This means that a QB who does not play a lot in his rookie season probably never will play a lot for the team that selected him. This is the exact opposite situation from a decade ago but it is now the active reality in play.

    I'm thinking the Jets probably want to give Geno enough exposure this year to make a decision on whether or not he's the guy. If not they'll have a real shot at one of the top 3 or 4 QB's next year.
     
    #270 Br4d, May 16, 2013
    Last edited: May 16, 2013
  11. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,454
    Likes Received:
    393
    Apologies :beer:
     
  12. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2005
    Messages:
    15,454
    Likes Received:
    393
    Yeah. The article quoting Steve Smith, ends with..."Sanchez appears to be the main competition to battle second round pick Geno Smith for the starting job"

    Please.
     
  13. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2007
    Messages:
    23,098
    Likes Received:
    1,588
    Manish Mehta ‏@MMehtaNYDN 21m
    David Garrard said on Sirius that Jets have offered him opportunity to work with the team this summer in some capacity (non playing) #nyj

    Perfect! He can still mentor Smith.
     
  14. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    Good move by the team. Some times players and ex-players can say things that would sound raw coming from a coach but get through when a peer says it.
     
  15. Steve032

    Steve032 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2007
    Messages:
    5,148
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am thinking that Gerrard would have not retired (or would have at least pushed himself a little harder through his injury) had Geno Smith not been drafted by the Jets. With David and Mark being the only viable starting QBs on the roster, he liked his chances of starting much more. Let's be honest, he probably would have beaten Mark out in camp, if not just for the fact that the organization (and the fans especially) are done with Sanchez and don't want to go through the misery of watching him on Sundays.

    With the Jets drafting Geno, and the recent reports out of rookie camp that the Jets are in love with this guy and that the organization wants Geno to be able to jump right in and start. One report was already stating that the QB position is Geno's job to lose. I think this helped David make his decision to retire. I know he's injured, and he is using that as his reasoning, but I find it hard to believe that his injury got any worse than it was when the Jets signed him. I believe that, coming off a surgery, that David felt the long and hard rehab probably isn't worth being the backup QB on a likely 6 to 8 win team. Gerrard wanted to start, and I don't blame him. He's made enough money and put in enough sacrifice to his body to do it all over again for vet min and to hold a clipboard.


    This, of course, is just my opinion and is not based on anything that was reported
     
    #275 Steve032, May 16, 2013
    Last edited: May 16, 2013
  16. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    9,070
    Likes Received:
    1,054
    I like that Gerrard will be around. He should be able to tutor Geno.
     
  17. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    4,970
    I went and watched Geno highlights and Sanchez highlights from college. Mark college High Lights looked better.

    What worries me about Geno that I think he needs time before starting. In his high lights he makes some great throws but I did not see any great throws under duress he got the ball out of hands quickly or had all day to throw. He very rarely came off his first read.

    I have heard the complaints about Sanchez can't read defenses but in his college highlights he was stepping-up in the pocket avoiding the rush and making great touch throws to his second and third receivers.

    How can you expect a rookie to do that if he was not good at it in college. This is why Geno went in the second this is why Geno will need time in an NFL offense that is predicated on progression and and being under center.
     
  18. NotSatoshiNakamoto

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    16,349
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    When I watch the Sanchez vs. Geno highlights the 2 glaring differences I noticed were that Sanchez worked with a much cleaner pocket most of the time and that he also had more wide open receivers to work with. The Geno highlights show a lot more dirty pockets and throwing into tight windows - two things he will need to deal with all the time in the NFL.
     
  19. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    9,070
    Likes Received:
    1,054
    David Garrard to be on espn radio at 1:45pm
     
  20. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    4,970
    I just rewatched Geno Highlights and watched highlights from the Baylor game. Geno had the cleanest pocket I have ever seen he has years to throw the ball. I do like his accuracy but that can change in a hurry with an NFL pass rush.

    Sanchez

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_rib5nD5P0

    Geno

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DZrJ_ucB_I

    Who has the Cleaner pocket?
     
    #280 cval, May 16, 2013
    Last edited: May 16, 2013

Share This Page