No we're not. We've had good QB's and lost consistently to the teams that had great ones. That's what the NFL is all about: it's a QB driven league. The teams with good QB's beat the teams that don't have good QB's and the teams with great QB's beat everybody. We had Vinny, who for one season was a great QB. I've been watching the Jets for 38 years now and I've never seen a QB have a better season than the one Vinny had in 1998. We beat just about everybody when he was on the field that year, and then we finally ran into a team that had a legendary QB and lost in the AFC Championship. Legendary > Great season. We had Chad, who for one season was a great QB. We even beat Favre and Manning back to back at the end of that season, because that's how good he was at that point. Then he turned into just a good QB for the rest of his time with us and we beat the teams we were expected to and for the most part lost to the teams with great QB's. We had Favre, who was a legendary QB at the end of his run. We won every game we could off of that until he broke down and then at the end we lost to 4 teams that had better QB's. The only game we won at the end was the one where our QB, beaten up as he was, was still clearly the better of the two. If Sanchez is just as good as what we've had over the last 11 years then we'll get one run at a Super Bowl out of him sometime and we'll fall short in the other opportunities, just like the last 11 years. The trade up to get him will be a failure and the Jets streak of not winning a championship will reach Ranger-like proportions. I'm betting that he's better than what we had. And I don't think I've been spoiled by what we had either. The Jet's 91-85 record over the last 11 years with 5 playoff appearances, a 3-5 record in the playoffs and no championship is exactly what you'd have expected out of a team that has had the level of play out of the QB position that we've had. There are a dozen QB's over that span of time that would have served the franchise and it's fans better than what we had.
This would imply that the loss was Vinny's fault, having been outplayed by Elway, which it certainly wasn't. Everyone turned the ball over that day except Vinny, even the wind took a kickoff away from us when Vinny wasn't on the field. Again, I disagree that it's all about the QB, like a one-on-one basketball game. I understand it's an important part and a QB-driven league, my point is we've had QBs that have held up their end of the bargain since Vinny got here in 1998. Except for the years we didn't have Vinny or Chad due to injury, and if you want to throw in the end of last year with a banged up Favre, we haven't not won because of our QB play. The years we had to go with Mirer, Bollinger or Clemens for an extended period of time were years that we had no chance because of our QB. The other years we've had QBs good enough to win, we just didn't win it all, as 31 of 32 teams don't every year.
I advocated for a fair competition. Clemens got it and finished third best. I think he also had bad luck as with Wright letting a catchable go for an INT. but still AINGE looked great and Sanchez has proven his worth. Time for Kellen to go to another team and revive his career. he is done in NY. I'd rather see AINGE at #2 then kellen. I have long argued that all Jets QBs should get a fair shot. My loyalty is to the team not any particular person.
The QB's who have won Super Bowls since 1998: John Elway Kurt Warner Trent Dilfer Tom Brady Brad Johnson Tom Brady Tom Brady Ben Roethlisberger Peyton Manning Eli Manning Ben Roethlisberger. Now my position is that other than the two teams on that list that had a top 10 all time defense the results were largely decided by who played QB for them. The first Roethlisberger win is the other exception but his performance that day was not representative of his play during the rest of the season and playoffs - a performance that was extraordinary given the injuries he suffered during the offseason that year. Other than Dilfer and Johnson the Jets have not had a QB as good as the ones who have won the last 11 Super Bowls. They've just been on a different plateau from those guys. That plateau overlooked a lot of weaker teams with weaker QB's but it had no entrance up to the level where Super Bowls were being won.
Elway, Brady and Peyton Manning are Hall of Famers, so is Favre. I'd put Vinny ahead of the rest of that list, Chad isn't too far off, certainly he's better than Dilfer and Johnson. My point is simply that the Jets have been solid at QB for a long time so I don't get the sentiment of "wow, I can't believe we finally have a QB".
Kurt Warner is a better QB than anybody the Jets have had since Namath. He might even be better than Namath and he's fairly likely to go to the Hall of Fame at this point, particularly if he and the Cardinals have another good year. Roethlisberger will also go to the Hall of Fame if he does not fall off of a cliff here somewhere. The only QB ever to have won two Super Bowls and not made the Hall of Fame is Jim Plunkett, and I think we can safely agree based on Roethlisberger's production so far that he is a much better QB than Plunkett was.
I don't know if anyone else heard the comment during the game last night that last year Schotty did more listening than talking to Favre. Hearing what Favre wanted to do. I mean it seems obvious, but to hear it said on the broadcast tends to make it a little more realistic.
Sometimes it' takes more than talent. I get the feeling that #6 raises the level of play of those around him. Just the way he performed this pre-season tells me he's got the chops. The respect he's getting from teammates tells me he's probably got that extra something that can lead to wins. I'm looking forward to this season. I expect this team to really start to jell around week six.
wat other possible explanation can u give then? Even the Jokeland game was terrible n I would like to agree it wasn't Schotty but rather Favre and/or Mangini.
Clemens fall from grace 2007 2nd year in NFL he started 8 games 2008 3rd year in NFL he was demoted to #2 backing up a HOF QB 2009 4th year in the NFL he was demoted to backup behind a raw rookie and getting his ass kicked by a 2nd year player in Ainge. 2010 No longer on the Jets and trying to get a #3 QB gig.
Count me in, too. Any pro-Clemens stance is indefensible at this point. I'm glad it appears I was wrong about Sanchez. Let's hope he can keep up the good work.
Amen to that brother! But I hope Clemens can get a better grip on the game than he has already, as the better he will be, the better depth we would have if one, or two of our QBs go down.
Not to diminish Warner or Rothlisberger, but they were also products of their teams. If you put Vinny or Chad on those Rams or Steelers teams and they'd likely do just as well. Again it's not always up to one player. The Steelers were a consistent winner long before Big Ben got there.
Yeah by Bradway's logic every year the team with the best QB would win the super bowl. That doesn't happen. Brady lost to Eli Manning in 2008... does that somehow mean that Eli is a better QB than Brady? Is anyone buying that?
What scares me about Clemens is that bad things always seem to happen to the Jets offense when he's taking snaps. Its freakin weird shit too. Wr's go into some kinda weird assed zone where they can't catch anymore. Drops turn into picks, Catchable balls get dropped. Checkdowns become the norm. The offense simply grinds to a halt every time KC comes in a game. Just some freaky shit...
