It's kinda late for that C. The fact that he's gone after the year really makes no difference in my eyes
Overall, Clemens has sucked during the season. He received the worst qb rating in the league for a reason. If he is our number 2 and G-d forbid there's a reason to bring him into a game, we're in trouble. This while Ainge has shown poise and moves the chains quickly. If Woodhead is cut and Clemens stays, I will be sick to my stomach!
No matter what we will still need 3rd QB on the roster so it wouldn't be Clemens that causes Woodhead his job.
Clemens has enough skill that if he puts it all together he can be effective for a while, which is what back-ups are. To be one of the 32 best who start on Sundays seems to be a step above him, after a while it's no coincidence that there is always somebody ahead of him who is better than he is. Chad was clearly better, despite the protests of all his haters here who deluded themselves to think Clemens was the second coming, Favre was better than him and now Sanchez comes in as a rookie and is better than him. He's a back-up, plain and simple. Better than not being in the league, not as good as starting.
If you are a rookie QB you need a QB on the sidelines that has been to an NFL game before and knows what's going on. Clemens has more experience then Ainge and so this year it will only be helpful to Sanchez to have him on the sidelines. next year, with Sanchez having one full season under his belt you can throw in Ainge as the #2... now it's just stupid PS plus, nobody knows the system better then Clemens out of the 3 QB's and I'm willing to bet anything you want that between Clemens and Ainge the former is the one with the best personality to help ot a rookie QB when in difficult situations...
JJ, while I agree that ship may have sailed, I don't understand keeping Clemens as an inferior #2 Qb. If we can't showcase him, what's the point of keeping him around? If its insurance, Ainge can do that much. This team isn't going to the playoffs this year so why not do right by Clemens so he might catch on with another team. The reality is, if Clemens really were the #2, he would have seen the majority of the reps last nite after Sanchez got pulled. That Ainge did get the majority of the reps speaks volumes..
It's funny. I was (and still am to a degree) a Clemens fan and an Ainge hater (I'm a Gators fan). But Ainge has looked good, and seems more serious about his craft this year (yeah, it's only preseason, yeah, it's only against backups). I still hold onto Clemens efforts against the Ravens 2 years ago, but I think it's safe to say, he'll never be a starter. I don't know where I stand on the 2 vs. 3 debate.
Sorry, but this doesn't make sense. If you have Clemens as a 3, you still have him on the sidelines, able to answer questions from our real qb. If we ever have to put Kellen Clemens into the lineup, we are a team in trouble. That is why he should never be considered a number 2 on this team. He is a decent NFL number 3, and that's probably all he will ever be. He needs to practice holding the football for the kicker
I missed KC's series last night, but from what I'm hearing on here, it was nothing to write home about. I think either guy could be a #2 but yeah, that ship left the port already. I think they want him as #2 because he actually has regular season starts under him, whereas Ainge doesn't, and maybe even a little veteran respect? All in all I agree though, I think Ainge throws a better ball and has more upside than KC.
Even though Clemens knows the system, he certainly can't utilize it effectively. He can still coach up Sanchez and Ainge, get his paycheck and go on his way at the end of the season. Besides, don't we have Matt Cavanaugh as our Qb coach? What's his job in addition to augment Shotty's implementation of this system? I'm saying that having Clemens ONLY because he's played an NFL game is fine. Hell, Clemens has already stated he thinks of himself as a starter so, would demoting him to 3 hurt his ego? Would Clemens pull a marshall and punt balls off the practice field? I doubt it. I'm thinking why have him as a #2 when you could just as easily have him as your #3 and still get the same things out of him.
KC had a very good college career. And if he didn't suffer an injury, he would have been drafted higher. The Jets picked him, which seemed like the right move at the time, but he never became the qb that they needed him to be. He was considered to be a smart qb in college, but I think he's too hesitant on the field. Because of that, sometimes he looks confused. I think he could play in the NFL, but only as a last case resort on a very sorry team.
For one thing you don't really "showcase" guys in football because there aren't that many trades, especially for a largely unproven guy like Clemens. Why trade for him when you can pick a guy up almost anywhere for free? The purpose of every guy on the team is to win the next game, Clemens if nothing else has been in the offense long enough to be an assett to Sanchez and the O while the game is going on. If something happens, 10 coaches out of 10 will bring in a guy who has at least played a real down in the NFL before--same reason Patrick Ramsey got a few downs in 2006 instead of Clemens. Also, why are we already writing off this season as a non-playoff season? We have a good team, who says we can't do something?
People, do we really want to see what we have in our #2 this year? I'm hoping Sanchez pulls a Favre or Manning and we never have to find out what we have on the bench :wink:
You have to be prepared though so your whole season doesn't go down the drain. Look at the year Vinny got hurt, the guy played 22 years or whatever and that's the only time he missed significant action.
Everyone says that Clemens knows the system. Evidently that's not enough to win the starting job. We have coaches that know the system too but they don't play, simply advise. Clemens can be a 3 and still be an asset to Sanchez and Ainge. VonRyan does things a bit differently and who's to say who would get the snaps in "garbage time". Judging by last night, I would say Ainge is in effect, the defacto #2. Clemens can carry the clipboard and coach up Sanchez and Ainge just as easily from the sidelines but the man simply can't move the team anymore. 2007 was a long time ago for Clemens.
No, he really won't. Face it, Clemens is the one who looks like the raw rookie out there and he's had 4 years in the system now.
In the first 2 games Clemens and Sanchez were close, the last 2 Clemens has barely played. It's hard to evaluate him based on the last 2 games. Clemens will be fine as our backup.
Oh, I agree we should be prepared but I'm going into this season thinking our backup is the next Jim Sorgi
Hmmm... I was totally spot on about Clemens... Wow! This is what it feels like to be right like the rest of you cocky bastards! :lol: Not much to cheer about though being right... I would rather be wrong about him and be able to get something out of him. He can still prove to be a useful backup though... so between him and Ainge, I don't see Ainge moving to #2 this year, but perhaps by next year maybe Ainge will be worth something trade wise? We may end up being to keep Clemens on the cheap too as a backup. It might all work out for us in the end.
