Still, nobody has answered the question of what to do with Jones? Bench him? He was solid last year, and will only get better. Do you think he can play RT? Trade him? Solutions, anybody? if not, drafting D-Brick, who i think will be great, is a poor decision, especially at the price Jones plays at.
I'd say he's average. He did what he had to do to win the game. Also, keep in mind that the 2000 Ravens are the exception, not the norm.
He played really well that year, they had an absolute stud at RB, and they had a great TE. And let's not forget their defense, one of the best in decades. But even with all that, how many Super Bowls have they won since they cut Dilfer?
Exactly. Mike Williams didnt even try, while Ferguson has been doing everything within his power to get bigger and better. Mike Williams half assed it. People can point to LT busts, but there are way less LT busts than there are QB busts. We can name a ton of 1st rd QBs who have stunk it up, meanwhile we can name a handful of LTs. My problem isnt with drafting a franchise QB. My problem is drafting a QB who has done nothing and got hyped into the 1st rd and has no college body of work. Hes not like Leinart or Young, who have proven their worth. Cutler hasnt done anything in college, doesnt have great numbers, doesnt have anything special about him. The only thing he has going for him is that his team mates say hes a competitor and wants to win. OOOOOOH. So i guess the other 100 or so QBs in the NFL dont want to win, thats what separates Cutler from him. We've seen this tons of times. Average college QBs who get hyped into the 1st rd and then fall flat on their faces. I understand the need for a franchise QB, but that doesnt mean we have to settle for any college QB.The franchise LT who has been a beast in college and is still getting better is the safe pick IMO.
Cutler DOES have special things about hiim: One of the quickest throwing releases to come around in some time, a big arm, decent size and mobility and tons of upside. All Info. confirmed by scouts. The teammates/leadership thing is just added bonus:grin:
You just described JP Losman...Big arm, size and mobility arent really anything special because thats becoming the norm in the NFL. I'll give you the release time, but this kid has done a hot nothing in his career. If he was such a stud, why wasnt anyone talking about him during the NFL season, when we were 2-10 and everyone knew we were gonna get a high draft pick. We were all talking about Deangelo Williams, because hes is a beast and showed it every week in college. Its amazing how all of a sudden everyone acts like Cutler was the pick from day one.
Not true. People have been talking about Cutler for a while. It is the media that has just caught on now. If Cutler went to one of the top schools out there, he would be a lock at #1 overall, even with Reggie Bush in the mix.
:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: now that is classic... the lock, behind the guy who won the hiesman, and the other guy, who won the heisman the year before and finshed 3rd this year... but Cutler would be a lock at # 1... Man, that's rich Ellis
Alright, I admit, maybe I went alittle overboard by saying lock. But, in any case, he IS being overlooked because of the school he went to, not because of his skills.
Does winning the Heisman make you a better QB? The last QB I can think of that won the Heisman was Vinny...obviously I know there have been more, but I kinda doubt Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Tom Brady and a whole bunch of other QBs were heisman winners...
ok, so lets add in somemore accomoplishments... they were the 2 time defending champions, vying for a 3rd, and were obviously the best players at there positions in college football (Leinhart by his body of work in college, and Bush way the most dynamic player in the sport), but no... to say Cutler still would have been in front of them if he went to a "BIG" school is insane ... I'm not saying the Heisman guarantees anything.. case in point, Danny Weurful, but come on... but a guy with a loosing record in college, who happens to be able to throw the ball hard, and has been fairly healthy simply by the grace of god, got a couple wins against programs on down years this year, and had a good showing against a sub par Florida team this year. If this is what warrants being drafted top 5, there is something really wrong with that logic... Ellis
Lies. I think i remember someone mentioning Cutler like once, and they wanted to use a 3rd rounder on him(this was pre hype by the media, who every year ordain someone the next big thing to make it seem like they are experts too)
I don't know where you are getting this from. I have been reading this forum since the summer, and I remember people mentioning Cutler as soon as Chad went down in Week 3. And yes, going to a big school would have definitely put Cutler in a better position than he is in right now. I think he did an exceptional job of leading his team this year. Keep in mind he played against a very tough SEC conference with a bunch of nobodies. He is the only player from Vanderbilt at the combine...that should tell you something about the talent that was around him.
Man, I would have no issue at all with drafting this guy. A potential 10 year franchise LT is better then a franchise QB, IMO. I know most people won't agree with me on that, but there it is anyway.
Wow. Do you honestly think that a LT is more important than a QB? How many times does a LT touch the ball during a game? probably zero. How many times does a QB touch the ball during a game? Every single offensive play. Success in football starts with the QB, period.
Negative. It starts up front. The outcome of a football game is decided in the trenches. Obviously you need a good QB, but nobody gets anything done without a strong OL, and the LT is arguably the most important position on that line (although center could also be argued). Touching the ball does no good if your getting killed 1.5 seconds after touching it.
It is much easier to find suitable blockers than it is to find a playmaker who touches the ball on every offensive play...While it may be true that games are won "in the trenches", in the end it is the playmakers who have to make the plays.
