Turning the conversation back to Greene... Greene hasn't been terrible, he started playing better when he and Powell split carries. Also consider the fact that due the Jets having no respectable passing game what so ever, he was still able to rush for 1000 even if he just barely got it. I would like to see Greene back if he comes cheap, the worst thing that could happen is if he comes back to a nice big fat contract.
I like Greene as long as he's a guy splitting carries with Powell. Greene is most effective late in games when a D has been softened up. Loved him playing behind TJ and even LT. Sign him while making it clear he's a platoon player and I'm fine with him.
Good post, I was thinking the same thing. When the Ravens won the SB with a pedestrian QB there weren't any Elite Franchise QB's running around. The old school (Marino, Young, Montana, et al) had retired or shot and the new breed (Ben, Brady, Manning, etc) were just getting going. Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD And we may be adding Luck and RG3 to the list.... I'm thinking our new GM has seen the same list and may not fund Rex's G&P dream much longer....
Powell and Greene are both good as change of pace backs, the problem is that neither one is a feature back, and Powell imo is better in that role than Greene plus he's younger. We need to go out in free agency and snag a RB, maybe in '14 draft a RB in the 2nd round.
Ok...I'll play. Jim Brown Barry Sanders Walter Payton Heck, I'll even throw Nicole Brown's killer in there too.... OJ
Ok Walter Payton: By this point in their careers with 82 games started AP has almost 500 more yards and .5 yards more on y/a. Barry Sanders: Ditto - AP more yards and better y/a than Barry by this point in their careers Jim Brown: Played against a bunch of white guys... Of course none of them every rushed for 2097 yards in a single season after blowing out their knee either... Of course an argument can be made for any of those guys too, point is my post didn't warrant the comment it got, it isn't that unfeasible to call AP the GOAT based on what he is doing in a QB league on a talent-less team in the modern NFL.
you guys need to watch other teams....Greene and Powell are both backups...Jets need a complete overhaul at the position....theyve missed on Greene, Powell and McKnight...
Powell looks like a smaller Shonn Greene to me. Maybe a few more moves and not as much straight ahead power. Yes Greene doesnt have break away speed. Yes Green has hands like bricks. Yes Greene is a one cut no moves guy. BUT........Greene is a battering ram. If he gets 2-3 steps down hill he can be a bulldozer. He isnt afraid to lower his shoulder a smash anyone or group of defenders. The only person on the team that is fearless and hits harder than Greene is Landry. KEEP GREENE for cheap. Cut Powell. Search for your #1 back. We need a sppedy guy with moves. I know some think its Mcknight. I'm not saying it isnt. I question his durability. But he just hasnt been given a chance. What does he get.....2 plays a game? The chances of finding a MJD, Ray Rice, or A.P. "do all" every down back is slim and none. No one on this team has the ability such as Mike Shannahan does to go out and find a guy like Morris in the 6th rd with power and moves that will run for 1500+. But the zone blocking helps too. I'd love Trent Richardson too. That kid is gonna be great.
If he comes at a fairly low price with very little guaranteed after 2013 I'd be OK with him back. Not going to fix every hole this year. But wouldn't have a problem letting him hit free agency and letting the market decide his value.
Again, you fail to interpret my post correctly and are misconstruing my argument. I never said any of those QBs I listed played poorly to win a SB. I merely said they were game managers. Yes, Ben had a 104 QB rating, but he did so in a game manager sense, no different than what Alex Smith was doing this year. He wasn't carrying this team, like Rodgers/Brees/Brady are doing now. You can still win a SB with a ground and pound mentality as long as you have a solid game manager QB (smart, doesn't turn the ball over, makes plays when he needs to), aka what the 49ers had last yr/this year before turning the reigns over to Kap. Sure, lets use a 1 game sample size (Eli and his SB MVP) as proof that he was a great QB that yr and led his team to a SB victory. Let's just ignore the 16 regular season sample size where he was extremely inefficient. Your last point makes absolutely no sense. So because they eventually became great QBs, that's proof that they were great QBs when they originally won their first SBs, even though the stats show completely otherwise? This is a logical fallacy and you're simply using an end result to fit the parameters of your argument.
Let's remember, Big Ben, Eli, and Brady were not considered elite in their first SB runs. They all did not play elite in their first super bowl runs and their defense helped them along mightily which is forgotten. Aaron Rodgers was not considered elite either, but he was more on his way that the first 3 I listed. For 1st time SBs, you could say only Peyton and Brees were considered elite before getting it, Rodgers was considered up and coming, Ben, Brady, and Eli were considered unknowns.
Barry Sanders? I never saw Jim Brown play but from everything I hear he's a no-brainer, so you're ok there. Hard to argue with Emmitt Smith, he leads everyone in everything. But Barry Sanders? I think Peterson is far better than Sanders was. Sanders was a boom or bust guys, could break one at any time but lost yards on so many plays.
Cutting Powell would be utterly retarded considering he's still on his rookie contract. We need to save money, keeping him would be doing just that. Without a Sanchez restructure there's no chance of signing a premier back, and only a small chance Greene comes back, which would suck because you know that wherever he goes, he's going to tear it up.
With a new GM, I'd be surprised if Greene stayed. Powell is under contract. Greene isn't, and bringing him in means less money to go after other players. Greene's production can be replaced by Powell, but we need a better back to be the #1.
i dont like these rb double job sharing stuff back in the emmith smith days where a rb was still a rb we need some of that kind a guy. ok ricky in his prime was a dolphin but wasnt he a huge rb before he found his love for this green planet ? ricky williams
