I think Bowles will be back-

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  1. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    4. Macc is fired, and Bowles is retained/extended .

    5. Bowles is canned and Macc hires and experienced (with offense) HC.

    Of these five choices, #3 is my first, #5 is my 2nd.
     
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    According to his record, yes.
     
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    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    I read

    If If they go the #5 route, for Mac to stay, it would have to be a HC with a sketchy track record as an HC (Wisenhunt? Haley?)
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    so playing with Fitzpatrick, McCown, and Petty shouldn't play a role here? I look at what Hue has done, 1 win in 2 years. To be 7 games under .500, I would be impressed considering the circumstances.
     
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    I'm not saying Hue is a good coach. I stand with what Parcells said: "You are what your record says you are".

    Look, I'm not saying Bowles is the worst coach ever, but I don't think he's the right guy for this team. He's still making mistakes he made in Year 1. At his rate, it'll be 5 years before he becomes above average. In the meantime his mistakes will likely lead to other rash decisions being made that will set them back even further.

    I'm resigned to him and Mac coming back, but I really think they should hit reset and hire a Pres. of Football Ops and let him make the team in his image.
     
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    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    Bowles is the worst coach ever.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    What about Adam Gase? He lost the locker room this year. Made the playoffs last yr w/ luck, but big time regression. Maybe you'd rather have Chuck Pagano? Dirk Koetter? These teams have better QBs, but the amount of success is around the same or less with more talent.

    I think Bowles needs to continue to improve, I think at best he's entering average and with a decent QB can do some good here. This roster has been crap for some time, yet the team remains competitive. Personally, I am giving Bowles one more year.
     
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    I think, as of this day, I would give Bowles one more year(he has 1 left on his current contract?). As much as I want him gone, I am thinking that it might be better for both that he remains, as there are supposedly going to be as much as 1/3 of the league looking for new HCs. I would assume we won't be in the "premier" destinations for candidates this offseason. However, if we do need one, I think that I'm sold on John DeFilippo.
     

  9. Make no mistake I agree w. all of this minus it being totally pointless to draft a FQB under Bowles. A great FQB can survive multiple coaching regimes & perform just fine. Yes it'd be more ideal to have a offensive mind in charge for many different reasons..but the QB issue is bigger than Bowles as far as I'm concerned.

    My OP was merely coming to grips w. the fact that Bowles likely is retained. I don't like it, but I can see it past it temporarily w. an eye toward the QB. For all we know it's the FQB that lures the elite offensive mind we so desperately need.
     
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    This is where I'm at. I think we all are splitting hairs trying to debate various degrees of bad or at best mediocre. Bowles is poor at in game management and his team is criminally undisciplined. These failings have nothing to do with the talent or lack there of Mac has provided him. Mac for his part has yet show the scouting prowess we expected based on his background. In the end, neither are very good at their jobs and appear destined to be replaced whether this year or the next.
     
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    I am not sure the source. I read a story after the Rams pick that the Jets were a surprise team in trying to get the 1 pick and were heavily involved in trade talks. Later after that Mac admitted he tried to trade up which you can find in articles from PFT and the daily news. I have always assumed Macs admission added credence to the 1st story.
     
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    OK, thanks. I do remember reading that Mac tried to trade up, just never saw anything about him trying to trade all the way up.
     
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    If you Google the Daily News article you can see where Mac admitted he tried to trade up for a QB but sorry I could not find you a link to the earlier article alleging the Jets were close to striking a deal jumping all the way from pick 20 until the Rams jumped in from pick 15.
     
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    Giants will likely land one of the top quarterbacks (Rosen/Darnold) and then raid the Pats for their next GM and head coach. We will be told to by the Jets PR machine to be patient and swallow another year of Todd Toilet Bowles and No Magic Mike Maccagnan. The Jets need to clean house yesterday not next year.
     
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    I think Bowles will be back as well. Woody does not want another Rex/Idzik situation.He will give Bowles and McCagnan one more year to get the ship turned around and fire them both if that doesnt happen in 2019.
     
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    Woodman is being patient giving them four years
     
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    That is why you fire them both.
     
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    Regardless of what happens, either Mac or the next GM needs to be allowed to hire his own coach. It's already been proven time and time again that Woody doesn't have the slightest clue when it comes to selecting a head coach. Let the guy that you're trusting to run the football operations to choose the head coach, and then change the chain of command so that the HC reports to the GM and the GM reports to the executives upstairs. This dual-reporting structure, at least as employed by Woody, only seeks to create dueling power centers.
     
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    I just mentioned why Mac passed on Watson in my previous post. Jamal Adams wasn't only the safest pick, he was the best player available that fit a need. If you watched him play at LSU you would know why.

    I am giving them one more year to make improvements (Mac and Bowles).
     
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    As much as I don't like it, I think you're right. They will likely come back for another year. It will be one of the most important offseasons in recent memory. We have a nice group of players on this roster and if Macc makes a lot of right decisions in FA and in the draft, the jets can be much better and even compete for a playoff berth. It assumes a lot to go right but Bowles and Macc have 1 more season to make improvements
     

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