LTJF gets days off for retaliating after getting called a nazi, and this guy only gets a "relax man"?
should have signed Bentley? to the biggest contract a center has ever gotten? I wanted him too, but for that money it's not worth it...
This team won't be handing out big contracts like Bentley got, and Arrington will get. They will bring in vets to help bring the young players along, and then once the young players are ready, they will start over the vets.
Let's sign all the big names, go bankrupt, suck again next year and end up in cap hell 2 years from now all over again. This is not how you rebuild. When you're rebuilding and trying to get the cap in order, you don't go out and sign high priced players. You sign players like Arrington when you're on the cusp of a championship run and we are the farthest thing from that right now. I think we need to be prepared for a pretty low-key offseason.
Look at some of the older vets we have signed in the past... Chester McGlocton, Reggie Tounge, Curtis Conway, Terrell Buckley, Donnie Abraham, Sam Cowart. Not to mention our own players who were signed long term at too old an age. Vinny, Curtis, Chrebet, Mawae, Fabini, Marvin Jones, Mo Lewis. Do you know the cap hit we have had to take on all these guys? They were all good to great players at one point, but they are too old. They all just end up being cap casualties in the end, putting us in a worst spot for the next few years. These guys are good for getting a team over the hump, but not for a rebuilding team like the Jets. Making a move for a bunch of overpriced vets at this point will only lead to YEARS of mediocrity. Better to rebuild with youth, and then when you are to playoff caliber, that is when you add a high priced vet that you basicly use for a season or two to get you to the SB.
i agree, but Lavar, and bently are younger players who can play for another 6 years. Unlike McGinist, or Von Olhoffen who will play a year or two and leave.
Not to mention, I only said I wanted to sign those 2 players-- thats not a bunch of high priced guys. Go after a few quality players who are still in their prime and build the rest of the team around youth. That way, in 2-5 years, when the youth is catching up and in their prime, you still have Lavar and bently- rather then a cap hit from mcginist and von olffen.
The difference is, guys like McGinest, von Oelhoffen, Washington, Kitna, etc., these guys are much more productive than the people you mention (except for maybe Abraham and Cowart.) The other difference is that those guys were brought in to make a run THAT year, their only purpose was for the short term development of the team. The Mangini/Tannenbaum mindset with veteran players is totally different than the Edwards/Bradway mindset. If we bring in older vets, it would be to help teach the younger guys that we will draft, and bring in. When we are ready to compete, these guys will have handed over the reigns to the younger guys. Edwards/Bradway had no such plans when they brought veteran players in. Mangini/Tannenbaum has a plan for a future, and it begins with bringing in older guys like this, oddly enough.
yeah I hear ya on that one-- Offensive Linemen have been getting absurd contracts. That bum Shaffer got like 36 million too. I have never heard of that guy in my life, and he's getting john Ogden type money.
And by the time they leave, hopefully the guys you drafted are ready to take their place. Or you can sign a couple of high priced players who will help you in a couple of areas, but they will tie up so much money that you can't afford help anywhere else. That's just not the solution.
I think you're missing his point. He's simply stating you don't rebuild with only young players. You need some veterans to show them how it's done in the pros, to let the youngblood ease their way onto the field. That doesn't mean inundating the team with pricey over-the-hill players, it just means implementing some vets with a common mind with the coach, and will eventually be replaced by the younger players. The problem with Herm was that he never gave the younger guys a chance. He stuck with his vets well past their expiration date. I'm hoping Mangini won't make the same mistake.
But look at the impace a few Rookies can have. Remember when our D Was terribe a few years ago? What did we do-- we brought in Barrett, Barton- (26 years old, and rather cheap) Drafted Vilma, Strait and Coleman and just like that our defense is better. Best of all, they are all young players, and will be here for a long time. Drafting an 34 year old is a quick fix. We are in no spot for a quick fix- we need an overhaul. i really think that with like 2-3 younger FA (under 28) and a solid draft, we can be a decent team next year, and a playoff team for a while.
Do you think McGinist and Volk Olhoffen are playing for league min? No they will command almost the same as Lavar- or more realistically, they would be cheap for a year, and then when they get cut after a season or two, we are stuck with a 4 million dollar hit. This is the reason we are in cap trouble now - because of overpriced vets!!! The guys we just had to cut were good once too- but they got old, and injured- now they are just dead cap space that prevents us from getting better. Lets not start the cycle again.
I'm not sure what the contract details were for those two, but I'm guessing they signed for alot less than what we'd have to give to the likes of Bentley and Arrington. They're just too expensive for us.
This is different, because this new defense is a concrete system. You need smarter veterans to start, and the rookies take a little longer to learn it. Besides, all the young players you mention are still on the team. Even if they were to bring in von Oelhoffen, Washington, AND McGinest, this is still a predominately younger defense. The bottom line is, this is a defense that takes time to learn, and plugging rookies and young players in right away will not be as effective as it was in Donnie's system, which relies more on speed. Mangini's system relies more on the ability to understand the playbook, and know your assignments. I'm sure there were plenty mistakes in Donnie's defense by the younger guys, that were made up for by their speed. You can't make mistakes in this defense. There is a particular assignment for each player. You need veterans who know how to play the system, who can allow the young guys to digest all the information they are given.
If McGinest or von Olehoffen sign a contract even somewhat comparable to Arrington & Bentley, I'll eat my shoe. What overpriced, old players did we sign? Cowart? Wasn't he like 27? Same with Donnie Abraham, another guy who was in his twenties. The only older vets who we gave huge contracts to were our own guys -- Chrebet, Mawae and Martin.
McGinest and von Oelhoffen will not make as much as Arrington. Both of them combined might not make as much as Arrington. The cap hit you speak of will likely be non-existant. These will not be long contracts, and we'll have to cut them. These will likely be 1-2 year contracts that will expire without us cutting them, in turn generating zero cap charge for the following season.
How do you know they will command top-dollar, or that they can't be signed to a cap friendly deal? It's not totally out of the question that players actually get signed to reasonable contracts you know. I'm not saying that some team wouldn't come out of left field and offer them a crazy contract, but I doubt a team on the rebound like the Jets would do so. They should know better.
