LOL…I was about to re-watch the game when I read the left and right post. He also had some very crucial drops; I count 3 and I think they were all on 3rd down.
What all this means is: All that stuff about winning meaningless games at end of season being bad for long term, doesn't mean anything. One or both QBs will be there at 6 if you want one.
His arm was never the strong point. His mastery of Oregon's offense was what people were selling. We just saw how far that will go in the NFL next year.
I have been in the Winston camp and still favor him as a prospect but I actually liked some of what I saw from Mariota last night. I was oddly more impressed with him as a QB last night than the FSU game where they cruised to victory. I have been worried about his arm and his ability to read defenses. Last night, 3 plays stood out to me as impressive. -First half, he sees something in the defense. Calls an audible at the line.. Drops back and finds his 3rd read and throws it on a rope across the middle for a 20 something yard gain. That was an NFL play. -The 70-something yard TD pass to start the second half for Oregon. He did a great job looking off the defense to the left before turning his head at the last second and hitting the receiver. The receiver was wide open so it was less impressive than the first example but still great fundamentals. -Late in the game, 4th quarter like 8 mins left, I think it was like 3rd and 15ish from inside in their 20.. He threw an absolute dart on a tough out route with defenders in front and behind the receiver, a tough ass throw. Beautifully dropped in. They were a yard short of the 1st down and should've went for it then instead of punting and having to go for it later when they were more desperate.none the less, great throw. I don't think he will drop in the draft from last night's performance. I thought he played well. His teammates let him down with some key drops and his team was significantly out coached.
Mariota and Winston are both better prospects.. and regardless, teams that didn't pick Bridgewater are kicking themselves. So maybe they learn from that experience. John Idzik Jr. might still be employed if he didn't pass on Bridgewater for a crappy safety
Maybe they are and maybe they aren't. We have two "pro-ready" guys in Bridgewater and Winston and two "mobile option-savants" in Manziel and Mariota. Winston had by far the worst last season in college of the 4 of them, albeit against generally better competition.
Every-time I watch, Mariota I ask myself the same question. Can this guy throw the ball into tight windows consistently? Winston surely can, but Mariota - eh I don't think so.
I think you put Winston and Mariota into one player, you have an elite quarterback. Mariota's personality and footwork combined with Winston's god given ability. Watching Mariota during that interview after the loss, I was very impressed. At the worst possible time, he carried himself with poise and professionalism. But unfortunately, that only gets you so far. I wasnt that impressed with him at all this season, and last night certainly didnt change my opinion.
Not too long ago there were 2 College QBs that were good, but not "Elite" prospects entering the draft a lot due to their college style offenses. Of course they were receiving a lot of focus and hype because they were quarterbacks. Who would be taken 1st overall? (Usually the team picking 1st is doing so because their QB sucks). Unlike several other drafts where the #1 overall selection was signed, sealed and delivered before the actual draft selection was announced, the team holding #1 waited until the final bell to make their choice between these 2 players. Well, one QB was selected #1 overall the next day, the other slid all the way down the draft board to #24. The "kid" chose #1 was thrown into the fire of a shitty situation(many different reasons), and his "Spread" experience didnt translate well for awhile. The other who surprising slid down the draft board to #24 sat behind a Hall of famer for a few seasons and is now widely considered the best QB in the league (or at least top 3)
After watching the game last night and seeing him against a good defense, I wouldnt be surprised if he went Bridgewater or Rodgers and fell to the end of round 1. He looked absolutely horrible. He completed a good percentage of his passes and had some horrible drops, BUT that offense doesnt transfer to the nfl. He has not shown the ability to run a pro style offense, so we are giing off POTENTIAL alone....I dont think there is a QB this year that will come in better than Geno. We need a vet.
For one thing, we know that offense translates to the NFL. But besides that, when are you not drafting based off potential? The kid has elite potential with elite talent and intangibles. He didn't play a great game last night but he certainly wasn't horrible by any stretch of imagination.
Teams picking in the top 10 picks arent drafting guys to sit and learn. Those are picks who are needed to step in and contribute. He had a bad time with the OSU defense and that brings into question how tough will it be when you DONT have the best scheme in college football anymore? How will he fair going to a horrible team and being expected to contribute...what Defense has he played against that was better than OSU and he did well? He will likely play for a bad team with bad skill players and he does not seem like the player to carry a team when its all on his shoulders. (Like last night) How do we "know that offense translates to the nfl" please tell me youre not talkin about Chip Kelly....if so, what has chip kelly won? When did that one team attempting to implement that offense into the NFL mean that it now transfers to the league?
No we do not need a player that can come in and play next year. Next year is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. What we need first and foremost is a franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. Until we get that everything else is meaningless. If the powers to be think he can be it is a no brainier decision, seems like a no brainer decision to me but I am just an average fan. Just because he hasn't been asked to do something doesn't mean he can't. His elite talent along with elite intangibles and football iq lead me to believe he can run any type offense with time. Yes Chips Kelly offense, who has won a division title in two years and it certainly wasn't his offense thy has kept them from accomplishing more. This is besides the point anyway because the Jets are not going to run this type of offense.
