How Would You Feel About an ED in Round 1 and Round 2?

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  1. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    Too many holes… Established teams can do it but a team that needs so many positions we just don’t have this luxury
     
  2. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    I think drafting for 2 years ahead makes more sense than drafting for the upcoming season. It keeps the cap healthy,let’s you play the comp pick game and gives you less chance of busts because your not reaching for needs.
     
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  3. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    None of that matters if Zach doesn't develop. That said, drafting two years doesn't mean that Zach won't develop, but it sure doesn't help that priority or goal as much as upgrading the offense around him.
     
  4. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    I already covers this. A defense that keeps the team in the game and the whole playbook open will help zachs development. And it’s not like we’re about to take 9 offensive players in this draft. Bottom line is edge is a premium position and this is a cap league with a 100% injury rate. You can’t be too deep in pass rushers.
     
  5. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    It only possibly can help. It will only help if the OL is stabilized and the weapons around Zach are significantly improved. If those things don't happen, it won't matter how many additional opportunities Zach and the offense get. The whole playbook won't be open, they'll still be playing from behind. It's a matter of indirectly helping Zach vs directly helping Zach, and like with most things, the direct route is always better. With a better OL and better weapons around him, the offense should be able to sustain drives, score more points, and be in the lead for a change, and that will help the D. It's an offensive league. The team that scores the most points wins, not the team that gets the most sacks or QB pressures.

    It's not about how many picks the Jets use to help the offense, but the quality of those picks. If they're waiting until the 3rd round or later to address the offense, they might as well not even bother. Even in the 2nd round, the best OL and WRs could be gone. The Jets still need some quantity, but more importantly they need top quality playmakers around Zach. Even if JD were to sign Allen Robinson for a year or Amari Cooper for 2 years, they still need to use early draft picks (including the 1st round) on offense. While either of those WRs should help Zach develop, you don't want to have him develop then do to him what was done to Sanchez, i.e., then let his top WRs walk in FA. Moore should still be here in 2024, but neither Davis, Robinson, nor maybe Cooper would still be here, and Zach would have to start all over again with new WRs.

    One can't be too deep at WR or RB or OL, either. They are more important to a QB's success than Edges are or ever will. Attempting to say otherwise is just wrong.
     
  6. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Who said anything about waiting till the 3rd round? You’re making up scenarios and then arguing against them. We have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds,the thread title says an edge in each of the first 2 rounds, that leaves 2 premium picks.
     
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  7. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Some asked about taking Edges at #4 and #10. I guess you missed that. We also have needs at S, CB, LB and DT. I see posters talking about taking those in the 2nd round, and I've seen several posters say that we'll be fine to wait until the 3rd or 4th round to take a WR. It's not a stretch at all to think that some Jets fans would be fine waiting until the 3rd round to address the offense, and I'm not making up any scenarios and arguing against it.
     
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  8. GasedAndConfused

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    wouldn't be a fan personally. we still have lawson, JFM, and huff. adding 2 more only kicks huff off the team essentially. I'd be ok with an edge in round 1 and a DT in round 2
     
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  9. GreenGreek

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    Grab the best available players you can in the draft, especially if they play premium positions. Parcells drafted two DEs back to back & it worked out very well for us. Get elite, young, cost controlled talent in the draft. Balance the roster via trades & Free Agency.
     
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  10. GasedAndConfused

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    we had 4 1sts that year though. we also got a QB and a TE. we also really needed 2 edges. right now we have lawson, huff, and JFM. we only really need 1
     
  11. James Hasty

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    I am not so excited by the DEs in round two but taking a defensive end near the top of the draft and drafting Wyatt Davis in round two might give us the reincarnation of the New York Sack Exchange.
     
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    Do you mean Jordan Davis? Wyatt is a guard for the Vikings.
     
  13. James Hasty

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    Meant DeVonte Wyatt.

    With his team mate moving up Wyatt might be a steal.
     
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  14. Losmeister

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    if the mfers can get to the QB on knockem on his arse, im all 4 it
     
  15. MaximusD163

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    To be fair Abraham was an Edge Rusher in that system and Ellis was really more of an IDL.
     
  16. NCJetsfan

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    I disagree. We just had an idiotic HC who played him on the interior for a year or two. Ellis was totally a DE.
     
  17. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    I mean he was a DE… a 3-4 DE in Parcells’ 3-4 Defense. 6’5” 290, long and stout. But a 3-4 DE isn’t really an Edge Defender, it’s more of an IDL
     
  18. NCJetsfan

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    In a way, but it also depends upon the flavor of 3-4. Remember that in Rex's flavor of the 3-4 he wanted the pass rush to come from the DEs not the OLBs.
     
  19. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    That’s not true at all, they just never had good pass rushing OLB’s when he was there
     
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  20. NCJetsfan

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    It most certainly is true! You're flat out wrong. I remember reading that was Rex's idea. I also remember reading articles comparing the different flavors of 3-4, and how the Jets' version was different from some others where the DEs only job was to tie up OL. It may have come about because they didn't have good pass-rushing OLBs, but it was one of the reasons they kept drafting DL after DL. Rex was instrumental in that. Tanny didn't have a clue.
     

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