Not everyone believes that the tape in question actually helped the Pats in that particular game. The problem is that the taping is illegal - period! I have no doubt at this point that the Pats have been doing this sort of thing for a good long while now, especially considering other teams having come out of the closet about it. They have probably collected enough data from at least certain teams to give them a strategic advantage everytime they take the field. And oh, yeah. Remember that part about the taping being illegal in the first place? Duh!! It doesn't make it right whether it helped them on last Sunday or not. Who's the retard now?
I find it really funny how the New England Media was questioning Bellichicken and He was asked "Do you think you have embarrassed your players" He responds "You know we play San Diego this week". Let’s hope the commissioner doesn’t fold and allow these pricks to dictate how this goes down. I still think nothing is going to happen to them.
I agree wholy and I think an appropriate punishment is a fine and loss of a 2nd and 5th dp. But I have a hard time believing that it gives that much of an advantage considering signals are changed every quarter
You have to look at it this way. For a couple of bucks, you could be using a piece of electronic gear to Monitor the QB's headset communication. That piece of gear could be linked to a headset on the guy sending in the defensive signals.... Team calls a run, you send 11 men up the field..... Is that Fair, yes or no. The answer to the inverse has to be the same...
If they were wiring up the defense to send in interpretations of the signals that is just bloody wrong as hell. I'm not really touching on that so much because I think there is less proof or certainty as to what was happening with the radio signals at this point. There is certainly suspicion enough and that only helps drive the anger at these guys that much more. It certainly is a fucked up situation though.
This is from PFT about Brady, but it addresses the issue of why the advantage could lead to wins and why the game should be forfeited: "How many times has Brady come up with a key play late in a close game? In those occasions, how many times did he know exactly what the defense would be doing? Part of the effectiveness of a blitz is the element of surprise. And a quarterback's challenge in that situation is to spot the corresponding gap in the coverage, and to get the ball to the receiver who'll likely be wide open in the sliver of time that the quarterback has to unload the ball before landing on his butt. If the quarterback knows that the blitz is coming before the play is snapped, and if he knows who'll be blitzing, the task of finding that open receiver suddenly becomes a lot easier. How many times have we seen Brady fire the ball to a wide open receiver an instant after Brady got the snap? How, in those cases, did he know so quickly that the guy would be open? Though we realize that there are many factors that influence the ability of the team to achieve success on the field, most of which are unrelated to cheating, the added advantage that can come from knowing what the defense is going to do can make a huge difference. Otherwise, the Patriots (and other teams) wouldn't be devoting time and effort and money in order to find out, through legitimate and/or illegitimate means. As we see it, the fact that the Patriots did what they allegedly/apparently/actually did creates a presumption that a benefit came from it." This is the arguement for penalizing the Pats in the form of a forfeit.
Go back and look at the game agains INdy last year. If they were doing what NE does, that game would have been lopsided. It wasnt. because our defense retained the crucial element of surprise.
I would like to hear your logic how the tape that was confiscated in the first quarter had an influence on this game
I guess you New England fans are just ignoring all the talk about the suspicious radio signals that were emitted during the game last Sunday as well. I never said they did, I said IF they did. There is a lot of uncertainty about what the radio signal business was about. Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions on that even though they were CHEATING by filming the signals. It's tough to do, but I will try. :rofl:
Polian cleared all cameras off the field during the AFC Championship game last year as there were rumors of the Pats doing this out there.
It wasn't confiscated in the first quarter... it was at halftime... stop trying to twist the facts in your teams favor
The nfl only questioned it, but havent gone beyond that because they know they control the communication to the headsets. Hey I'm not condoning what the pats did they broke a rule and should be punished and they probably will lose 2 picks for it (2 & 5 } but dont tell me it had a bearing on this game.
I keep saying it likely didn't have an impact on this game, the filming part, but I can imagine they have been filming folks for a while. They do something with these tapes and considering the filming is prohibited, what they glean from them equates to cheating. So far I am unsure the filming helped in this game, but I have to wonder if the whole truth comes out.
how could you say it didnt. If you knwo whats plays are being called by the opposing team that allows you to manage the clock how you want, run play you want. It is impossible for some1 to sit here and say it didnt have any affect on the game
You may be right - but maybe just maybe the catalogue of film the Pats have of the Jets defensive signals from previous games may have been a factor. There is fact - the Patriots illegally filmed the Jets and then there is perception and conjecture which blame falls solely on the Pats organization.
