Way too much wasted energy on coddling a under performing, under achieving, unproductive #3 receiver in the NFL, paid #1 money.
Why do people keep saying he's done? He spent all last offseason rehabbing and coming back from a terrible injury. In essence while he was back from the foot, he wasn't 100% speed wise and had little ability to separate. This offseason he gets to work on his conditioning and his body instead of rehabbing. In fact I think he has a good year this year because he will be able to trust his foot more, and work on becoming a better WR.
I'd take him back at the right price absolutely. Any rookie we draft will have a learning curve, he seems to have lost some of his diva-tude, I think the attitude thing has been way over-blown-I think fans here have a much bigger problem with Holmes then his actual teammates do, he seemed to be willing to work with some of the younger guys last year and he'll probably be the best WR on our roster come September. Bottom line, the guy can still make plays and IMHO isn't the "cancer" some here think he is. _
Let's not get carried away with Holmes being awful. He's a decent serviceable WR when healthy which has been a problem for him the last 2 years. That's a fact. However he is not Mark Sanchez bad where he's so devoid of talent that he shouldn't ever see the field. Yet this team is and should be going in a new direction this year. Kerley is the only young skilled WR on the roster who should be kept. The rest of the WR's are all expendable, Holmes being the only one up for debate. Yet the reason I want Holmes gone is he is a little bit of a malcontent when it comes to being a team leader and good teammate. Secondly, he's definitely lost some of his skills. Add to that being 30 and being injured 2 straight seasons and that's a recipe for little to no production. Unless he comes back for dirt cheap, there's absolutely no reason to keep him when you can draft two athletic young WR's and pickup another one in FA.
Really? he fucking split his foot in half on that play! why are people so down on him for not finishing a play while in unbelievably wreathing pain? he shouldn't be back, but thats the dumbest thing I've seen people harp on.
I realize he got hurt, and besides a couple shoulder tears, I doubt I've ever been in that kind of pain. It was clearly a terribly painful injury. Having said that, I don't know if I've ever seen a guy get injured on a play and basically throw it to the other team like that. If its a more common occurrence than I realize, my bad. I have just never seen anything like that.
Sorry Tony, didn't mean to hurt your feelings :up: I never saw another player toss the ball, ever. I don't imagine Chrebet, Coles, Johnson, Edwards or Toon would have thrown it away in the same situation. I think the excuse, he was wreathing in pain, is weak. Holmes, has done little and nothing to change my perspective that he isn't a weak player. Never once can I recall him breaking a tackle or taking a broken play to the house, stuff #1's do all the time. He had one good game this season, while awesome, it was short lived per usual. Bye Holmes, you won't be missed here.
I would have gladly kept Cotchery and given Cotchery all the money we gave Holmes instead. Cotchery=all production. Cotchery=all teammate Cotchery is the kind of receiver you want around a young developing quarterback. Six defenders, two hands on the football, eyes on the marker, beast.
Yup, every time those guys shredded their lis franc ligaments they all had the presence of mind to secure the ball, go down and make sure the refs knew they were down and timeout had been called. Not to spoil your narrative, but it's funny you mention Chrebet, one of my all time favorite Jets. You probably forget when he tried to hurdle a Chicago Bear back in the Herm days when he was faced with landing face down with nothing to brace himself, he instead tossed the ball away so he could use his hands and arms to cushion the fall. Not injured. Threw the ball away. Wayne Chrebet. Again one of my all time favorites but that was a bad example for your narrative. _
I'm in the same boat, I've seen some nasty hits in football in my time but I've never seen anyone give up the ball completely like that. Hate to beat a dead horse but Cotchery was absolutely my favorite Jet for a while and the play he made in OT after tearing his groin is one of my all-time favorite plays that shows a player with heart. I completely shattered my ankle playing soccer on a slide tackle, My first reaction was to standup and try and retrieve the ball. Of course the second I placed my foot down it crumbled I went down, But my first instinct was to try and get the ball 100%. ( And this is an adult amateur soccer league, and i'm not getting paid millions of $$ ) Holmes had 0 interest in the ball, possession, or anything other then himself and his injury... I'm 100% convinced if he even just let the ball fall to the ground the play would have been called dead. But instead he tosses the ball directly to the defender. He practically hit him in the numbers. Holmes could have just as easily rolled with the ball,.. If he cared enough.
I'm pretty sure I have never saw Chrebet throw the ball away. I think I may recall him landing on his forearm with the ball being jarred lose by the ground. Chrebet, definitely, never threw the ball away though. I saw that man get knocked unconscious and still have the body memory or wherewithal to hold onto the football (San Diego I believe 3&the game on the line). I saw Chrebet light up Ray Lewis, on a crack back, and then Ray Lewis get penalized for tackling Chrebet (without the ball) after the play and the whole time Chrebet (half Lewis' size) is holding onto Lewis face mask not giving Lewis an inch. Chrebet is a Jets legend and will be remembered here forever. Holmes, is a under performing joke. When the going gets tough, Holmes folds like a cheap tent. Kerley is far superior to Holmes. David Nelson is better than Holmes. Shit, Hill is probably better too.
im actually all for bring holmes back at a cheaper price IF he is our #2 WR where he belongs. He is not a #1. He cant be. He never prospered as a number one. He is good at playing that WR2 / Slot role. All his best plays were when Braylon was #1. In pittsburgh he had Hines or Plax at #1 allowed him to be #2 and/or slot. His big plays with us (esp coming off those slant routes u said you would like) vs the browns n lions in 2011 he was lined up over there. i like what he can do but as a 1 .. fuck no.. night night if thats the case
Then you are purposefully misremembering that play to suit your narrative. You don't have to extoll the virtues of Wayne Chrebet to me, he's one of my all time favorite Jets and players. Trot out all the ironman stuff you want to- it's a red herring to add fluff to your narrative. Chrebet threw the ball away to brace his fall. Wasn't hit, wasn't injured. Deny it all you want, but that's what happened. Hate Holmes all you want but one of the greatest Jets ever threw to ball away to an opponent without having a shredded lis franc ligament which is by all accounts massively painful. _
I don't remember that play that way. I'm not doubting you, but since someone else remembers it the way I do, do you have a link? I remember the ball in his outstretched hands and when they hit the field he lost the ball. At any rate, I disagree with your comments regarding Holmes. Throwing the ball away wasn't going to make his foot hurt any less. IMO he's a wussy and a whiny little beeyotch anyway.
I am glad to hear everyone chime in on this. If Holmes is healthy he might be a bargain.. he had a terrible year last year and reputation has been tarnished as a locker room diva the year before. He and his agent don't have too much leverage with negotiations and probably not too many teams knocking on the door. This could be a smart/cheap move that Idzik could use to spend in other areas. I can't wait to see how this offseason works out. It is already taking forever.
You know it goose! Holmes is awful, has been for 3 seasons now. You guys should keep supporting him though. It's like running into a brick wall at different angles, just to see if there will be a different result. There won't be
99.9% of Jets fans will agree his last few seasons, for different seasons have been torrid. But last season that injury was really horrible, I can't even say it let alone spell it, but I know rugby players that have had it and it sidelined them for months. I can't forget that Holmes once was a SB-MVP and bad players don't get that. He's certainly not the player he was but I think for the right price he will be good to have around, especially if we're about to draft a ton of O weapons this year. The younger WRs seem to love him
