yes this was a stupid article...it’s true that we need talent at literally every position but the offense needs help just as badly as the defense
Bill Parcells is the reason the Jets went from 1-15 to 9-7 and then 12-4. The only other guy in NFL history who pulled off that kind of turnaround was Don Shula with the Fins going from 3-10-1 to 10-4 and 10-3-1 in the aftermath of the merger. Shula had an easier job.
The only reason the fans keep attacking the Jets hires is because the Jets hires are shit. Enough with the victim blaming.
I think that kind of turnaround is possible with the Jets in 2021. The way they have lost is just as much on coaching as it is lack of talent. They need to hire a good coach, sign and draft the right players, and they can be competitive instantly in 2021.
If Douglas fails, my money will be on it happening because the Johnsons hired another awful coach. I have a high level of confidence that he’ll get the guy he wants, though. Time will tell.
I don’t like putting a time limit on this.. He could be gone this year as far as we know. I don’t think that will be the case but it’s not out of the question. The answer is simple. He needs to draft well, manage the cap and sign FA’s to fill positions of need. Proof is in the pudding!
If the Jets hired a head coach with a proven track record of turnarounds and winning they might do ok next year. No way a coordinator or a recycled vet (Williams) gets anything good out of them. Harbaugh gives them a chance but they better not overmarket him if they bring him in. Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season as Cowboys head coach - the roster was that bad even with the Herschel Walker bonanza. They went 7-9 year two of the Johnson regime. Troy Aikman was 7-19 his first two seasons in the NFL and 0-11 as a rookie.
FWIW, Matt Campbell has turned around two college programs. If Harbaugh can't be brought in, he'd be a great consolation prize.
In the past that has been true, but not now with Douglas. We've never hired a candidate who was so well qualified and respected. Because some fans disagree with a move or two of his, or he hasn't done things the way they think he should, they've turned on him now and are being ridiculous. Some of them sound like they've never watched the NFL before and know nothing about football. It's truly ruining this site.
The media says a lot of things about people, doesn't mean those things are true. If Douglas turns out to be a bad GM, it won't be the first time a media darling has gone bust. And what's really bothering people about Douglas is that he keeps praising Gase to the point that he's either outright lying or he really believes Gase is good, in which case yikes.
Yeah, and assuming the Jets draft a rookie QB in Lawrence or Fields, you have to be patient with them. That is the problem for Jets fans though. They have been patient for a long time with 0 results. Hopefully it will be worth it this time.
Yes, it is a major problem with Jets fans. We're impatient, and rightfully so, but acting in a petulant, impatient manner won't get us what we want. It will just ruin this opportunity. Regardless of how hard it is to go to the well one more time and trust that the right things will happen with the Jets this time, we have to do it, or we're going to drive ourselves and each other crazy. That's precisely why we must be patient this time. Previously, we've hired incompetent GMs and HCs who didn't know how to build a team and who tried to rush it at that. We didn't know it at the time, but it wasn't realistic to expect success from those individuals because there was no leadership from the top and no stability, they didn't have plans, and weren't competent. We now have a chance to at least have some leadership from the GM position and for him to build a solid foundation in the FO that will set us up for success long term. If things are ever going to change for the better and stay that way, then we're going to have to hope and pray that Douglas deserves the respect he has around the NFL, that his experience, knowledge, and eye for talent will bear fruit if we trust him and give him whatever time he thinks is necessary, and accept several facts about this rebuild: 1) it is going to happen differently than our previous ones; 2) it may not happen in the way we think it should; 3) most likely, it is going to take some time; and 4) Douglas is human and is going to make some mistakes along the way. To expect him to be perfect, make no mistakes, wipe away almost 50 years of stupidity, incompetent hires, blown draft picks, blown FA signings, horrific play on the field, and convince our idiotic owners to hand over the reins of the team to him overnight is delusional and not dealing with reality. Hopefully, we will wind up with Lawrence, he will prove to be all that is claimed he is, the right players will drop to us in the next two drafts, and Douglas will mostly make the right moves in the drafts and FA. If so, we could become competitive much quicker than we think. We may not like it, but we're going to have to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this cluster fuck of a situation didn't happen in six months. This situation is a result of 50 years of stupid owners, horrible hires, and lousy drafts. If Douglas makes the right moves, is allowed to hire the next HC, and hires the right man, I think this team can be competitive next season, be a playoff team in 2022, and be a serious contender by 2023. Look at what Matt Rhule is doing in Carolina and what Kliff Kingsbury is doing in Arizona. That can happen with us too. We just have to have some hope. I totally get how hard it is to have hope when things look as bleak as they do with the Jets, and when we've been disappointed/let down so many times in the past (fool me once...). It won't be easy to trust, to hope. Some will have to detach for a while. Firing Douglas now will only mean that no decent GM candidate will want or take the Jets' job, any rebuild will be delayed that much longer, and may not happen at all. In fact, the next GM won't be anywhere near as qualified or have the resume that Douglas does, so no rebuild may happen at all, and there will be no hope for this franchise. Jets fans need to accept the fact that Douglas is the best hope we have right now (and have had for quite some time) for turning things around. Settling for 2-3 years of mediocrity or 9-7 play with a HC who is a drama queen and who will wear out his welcome is not the answer. Hoping we can sneak into the playoffs one year, then get "hot" and lucky isn't the answer. The only decent answer is to do this right, and build sustainably so we can be good every year. Douglas is young. With a young HC, we could have 20 years or more of success and stability, something this team has never had. Many posters here have lamented the coaching merry-go-round that has been the Jets. Well, here is our opportunity to stop that. To get stability, and to emulate the Steelers and other teams that have had that kind of stability. Rooting for one win is short-sighted and absurd. It is just as bad as 0-16, and if it costs us the right QB and players in the draft, then it would be disastrous. We need to ensure that we have the #1 pick, as that gives the choice of which QB and getting the best chances to get the players, talent, and positions we need. Wanting to fire Douglas is absurd. Wanting to pass on Lawrence and Fields, trade down and roll with Sam is delusional and absurd.
Agree...JD has not been perfect, but he appears to actually have a plan... 1. he held out for a six year deal because he knew this would take time and he wanted to make it difficult for the Johnsons to fire him too early 2. He turned over a lot of players, but he knew they were stopgaps as evidenced by the abundance of one year deals 3. He did not spend huge dollars in free agency even though we did have room, and he didn’t sign any older players or high value deals...preferring to let the cap space roll to next year 4. He traded down quite a bit last draft and continues to accumulate draft picks...he is serious about building via the draft finally, he is the first guy since literally Bill Parcells in over 20 years that actually comes to us with the qualifications, resume, experience, credentials, and league wide respect for the GM seat. Not one of the previous morons deserved the role. all that being said, he has not been perfect and he’s made mistakes...some of the new OL look no better than the guys we let go. Robby should have been resigned. Fair enough... but I have more confidence in him than I ever had in Bradway, Tannenbaum, Idzik, or MacCagnan. By far. so yeah, I don’t get the calls to fire him at all...last years 7-9 record was a total mirage built on the weakest schedule in the league. I agree we have gotten worse and not better, but to me that is intentional...we are razing this shit to the ground, chasing the top pick, and will rebuild from the ashes, instead of the band aid approaches we’ve had for the last ten years.
Great post, as usual, @NCJetsfan! I agree with all of that. Now, if the Jaguars win a game between now and Week 17, then you can cheer for the Jets to beat the Patriots Week 17. Besides that, I wouldn't want to take any chances.
Patience is seriously overrated. When someone good takes over, it usually takes no more than a couple years to turn the team around, and it's obvious from the start they're on the right track. Look at the Dolphins, heading into last year, they stripped their roster to the bone. A year and a half later, they're 6-3 and Tua's balling out. Or the Cardinals with Kingsbury and Murray. This idea of waiting for years to show any signs of improvement is a TGG thing because Jets fans have forgotten what competence looks like.
100% Correct. It takes two good drafts and a one good free agency to turnaround a team if you’re a competent GM. 3-4 years is pushing it, 5 years is an eternity.
You're showing your youth. Patience is a virtue. Yes, turnarounds can happen quickly, and if the Johnsons will get the heck out of the way and let Douglas run the show, I think it will. The Dolphins' and Cardinals' owners are obviously smarter than the Johnsons. They either know what they're doing, or knew enought to get out of the way and let their GM or VP of Football Operations run the show. They're not trying to be dilettantes like the Johnsons. Besides, look at how posters here have whined about trading Adams, Bell, Williamson, et al. If the Johnsons had allowed Douglas to do what was done in Miami and Arizona, Jets fans would be in open rebellion. Douglas has already begun stripping the team down. If the Johnsons allow Douglas to hire the new HC and stay the freak out of the way, and we get Lawrence, we could see the same quick turnaround here.
This is year 2 for Kingsbury and Murray. That means the next HC and QB for the Jets will go through some growing pains next year as the team has new systems in place and chemistry needs to be developed. Then, a jump in production should come from the QB in year 2 as the game has slowed down and he's familiar with his OL and weapons. If this doesn't happen, we're in serious trouble.
Yeah, I mean I have said multiple times in this thread that I think the 2021 Jets can pull a 1997 Jets and go from (1-15) to (9-7). That would be the improvement you need to see to show the Jets are on the right track going forward. If they change coaches, sign free agents, draft all these players, and are still the worst team in the NFL in 2021, that would be a HUGE issue. So being patient can mean different things. You can't expect the Super Bowl in 2021, but you can expect to compete and be much improved.
Last year's Cardinals improved on their record from the year before, and Murray won Rookie of the Year. So if next year we go 5-10-1, and Lawrence/Fields wins Rookie of the Year, then I'd say we're on the right track. That's very different from where we are in Jets-land where Darnold and the team never improved from a 2018 season that was pretty bad to begin with.
