2012 is very skewed b/c our O was so bad that opposing O's played very conservatively against us but when teams needed to move the ball they did w/ the exception of Arizona for the most part. 2011 we were ok but way too many breakdowns at critical times and too many game changing plays/drives. I am very happy Rex is here, he will always give us a good D they just haven't been as good as we think.
You know what the only thing that matters is that RR objective of winning us a SB is now further away then nearer & in the end that is all that matters. He is a total failure in his 1st 4 years because he did not achieve his stated objective. BTW his dad is exactly the same as RR full of BS & no substance to back up there bluster. :sad:
What all this tells us is that Rex Ryan needs more talent on the offensive side of the ball and he needs to do a better job of being the head coach and holding people accountable on that side of the ball. The Jets have added a decent amount of talent on the defensive side of the ball since 2010. They've added Jeremy Kerley on the offensive side of the ball.
Laugh, I have NEVER said it was all Sanchez's fault, I've said He has been an under achiever, underperformer who rode a defense and running game in to the playoffs two years and has been subpar as a starter.
it has always bothered me that the jets continue to always add guys to the defense from the draft. its very frustrating, listen rex if you are really the great defensive mind then you do more with less so the offensive side of the ball can get more players. ----------------------- and to those trying to make this into a sanchez thread, i understand why you feel that way but nobody has brought him up but hobbes and stokes. lets have a thread about the defense on this one ok fellas.
The Jets have definitely put the pieces in place to run a younger faster defense. Perhaps they feel they can replicate 2009 with so much young talent.
Oh forgot to address the key point, I didn't say the defense was great because of Rex, I said under rex the defense has been great. There is a difference there. But you have to remember on defense everything on every play doesn't go through a single player, defense is ALWAYS 11 guys. And to repeat, I've never said Sanchez was the only reason the team struggled, I've said he's the same QB in 2012 as he was in 2009, 2010, and 2011, a subpar QB who needs to ride elite talent to succeed and that when he's not surrounded by elite talent he fails. But not because his level of play fell off, because it didn't he was statistically the same QB in 2012 as he was in 2011, as he was in 2010, as he was in 2009...but I'll save the rest of that for the QB thread, this ones about the defense.
Again, my apologies if I offended anyone, but it just seemed to me that this was more a dig at how crappy the offense is rather than how good the defense is. And we all know why the offense isn't very good. And the emphasis on turnovers is merely a veiled dig at he who shall not be mentioned in this thread that is only about the defense. So yes, lets JUST talk defense. _
No. What you said was it starts on the field. I could be wrong, but the next time Rex laces up a pair of clears as a Jet, will be his first. Coach->system->player.
The defense is at a turning point. It used to be predicated on a stellar, young secondary with veterans up front. Now it's based on the young guys up front with veteran pieces in the back. It will be interesting to see what kind of difference this will make and if there's any kind of drop off.
You might not want to tell people to go back a day or two and look at your ridiculously dumb-ass posts.. If I were you I'd try to move on. Just saying.
to be honest coaching only goes so far, coaches don't set foot on the field. They can only give instructions and then it's up to the player(s) to execute. Best coach in the world will make some players somewhat better, but a great player can make any coach look like a genius. The best a coach can do really is evaluate talent and try to put them in the best place to succeed. Unfortunately this is easier to do on defense than on offense since on defense a coach is trying to disguise coverage's with design in order to confuse QB's. But in the end it's the players performance, or lack of it, that determines the game.
As I've said many times, its the players and not the coaches that really make the difference. Rex is a master of creating schemes that confuse QB's, but he doesn't execute the defense, he doesn't play the defense, and he can't direct the players on the field during the play. It's not me that makes the argument that the coach makes the player, a coach has influence, but only so much.
yes there was a dig at the offense, but it was a relevant dig within the context of the statistics. When analyzing why points allowed had risen every year it is necessary to look at all of the factors involved. case in point, if a team is ranked #10 in preventing teams from scoring on any as a percentage of total drives but is ranked #20 in points allowed then you have to ask what is causing the variation. If a team only allows a score on 30% of it's drives and is ranked #10, and team B allows scores on 40% of it's drives, but team A is ranked #20 in points allowed and Team B is ranked number 14 (for example) then you have to look at the variances. The two most obvious variances are 1) more drives defended against and 2) TD/Fg ratio's on the scoring drives. Now if Team A has 30% more drives defended than Team B then Team A, despite allowing a lower percentage of drives to score, will give up more points due to the increased number of drives. There are only three possible reasons for a team to have substantially more drives than the average team in any given year. 1) the offense is scoring a lot and quickly. 2) The offense is having a lot of 3 and outs 3) the offense is turning the ball over frequently. or of course a combination of the above. In 2011, for example, the Jets had the highest number of drives against in the NFL by about extra drives per game over the median league point. So you see, when judging a defenses efficiency you have to look at all of the factors involved, and yes that includes points off of turnovers because often turnovers leave the defense in poor field position, and about 33% of the time leave the defense in a situation where the other team is already in FG range, which will push up both points allowed and increase the percentage of drives that the other team scored on, even if the defense gives up 0 yards on that possession. so yes, there was a dig at the offense because in each of the 4 years the Jets have been among the top 10 or so in terms of drives defended against and that can not be ignored when evaluating a defense on the number of points allowed in a season or how often the defense allowed the other team to score. But it wasn't a dig for digs sake, it was completely relevant to the evaluation of the defense and total points scored evaluation.
I appreciate the effort you put in to provide all this information - thanks. Hopefully morningwood can help provide a competent offensive effort and we'll see the defensive improvements that the numbers indicate.
2009 would be great but hefty expectations with a group of so many unknowns. It might be a rough start early but a unit that really starts to gel midway through the year. If anything, it's the most excited I've been about the defense in a while as there's true competition all over the place.
correction, I don't hate Sanchez. I have no personal feelings towards him at all. As for being a thinly veiled dig at Sanchez? The stats show what the stats show. I don't let emotion dictate anything when evaluating performance, I watch the games and correlate that with the statistical data, in the end if you keep the stats within context and off a large enough sample size they never lie in the end. I don't hate Sanchez, It's just that after 4 years of being a full time starter he's just not been very good. His on the field performance backs that, his long pocket times back that (added to by his love of single and double, and the occasional triple pump fake), his locking on to receivers and his inaccuracy throwing the ball... These could all be perception issues, but they also are backed and verified by the statistical baseline that Sanchez has developed over the past 4 years. this is the last time I'm addressing anything to do with Sanchez in this thread. BTW, when talking about turnovers it wasn't only Sanchez turning the ball over. I'd say the only thinly veiled thing in this thread has been the Sanchez lovers over sensitivity. Stats are stats, they don't lie. Jets offense has been among the league leaders in turnovers every single season over the past 4 years, as a unit. That puts the defense on the field more. That said, I'll only discuss Sanchez in the Sanchez thread. IN this thread I'll only talk about the defensive side of the ball from this point forward.
