The guy will be 31 years old and in the year for 9 years. He's shown all he's got, which is terrible.
Well it's not exactly like he's going to say his draft picks sucked. I would hope every team is positive about their draft choices. At the end of the day though, it doesn't mean they were good picks. Im not saying our picks were bad but Rex Ryan's opinion about them shouldn't factor in any fan's evaluation of the picks.
I agree with the original poster, but I am not surprised. Once again Tannenbaum ignores the Offensive line. Kind of ironic they preach "ground and pound" and yet ignore the offensive line - seems counter productive to me. If they were going to trade up in the 2nd round they should've traded above Buffalo and grabbed Cordy Glenn - not some reciever with only 40 catches in his life.
Hunter gets way too much credit for his backup play in 2010. Schotty had Turner rolled to his side as TE for a lot of those plays. And when he didn't, they were attacking left.
Look my comment was totally tounge in cheek. Rex might as well have told Devito not to show up at training camp. Hill might very well be Justin McCariens, Johny Lam Jones or the next coming of Al Toon? I love all of our drafts and hate them all equally up until we actually see results on the field. To say we don't need to get younger, faster and stronger on both sides of the ball is simply crazy talk. We drafted BAP on our board and need. How these picks actually turn out, who really knows.
Heh. Well, no offense but it is a truism, although many seem to forget this, that all that really matters is performance. But... how well the draft addressed perceived needs, even in theory, is a fair subject for discussion, even it is a rather theoretical one until that performance plays out on the field. I am sure you agree.
The Jets drafted Wilson and immediately said he wasn't expected to start. Same with Ducasse. Saying they aren't going to start is not the same as saying they 'suck'. They drafted for immediate performers through the first three rounds, and not role players or project players. It's a refreshing change, although I'm definitely not down on MoWilk.
I can't wait for Brady to retire so the bandwagon Pats fans revert back to a mediocre team with 50% attendance. This is exactly what the military is looking for. Raw, unpolished, lack of developed skill-set type of people so they can be molded the exact way they military wants them. This will be football boot camp and Hill has the perfect chalkboard to be wiped away clean, except for the run blocking skills, and start over. It is quite obvious that you have 0 management experience. When you manage people you motivate them by telling them how great everything is and how they can make it even better by doing X. How would you feel coming into work every day and having your boss tell you about how bad things are, your check may be reduced, you suck, possible layoffs, etc. I wonder how motivated you would be after that speech every morning. I'm glad I don't have to be the broken record today.... And yes Byz, you are correct, he did get help rolled over but there were plenty of examples of him going solo and holding his own. While I believe Hunter was a downgrade from Woody, he's not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. The sub par play of the entire OLine certainly contributed to his stand out piss poor play. But it could have been worse, Colin Baxter could have been in the RT position.
Are you not following the conversation? You actually proved my point. The poster said the Jets got 2 great starters because Rex said so. I said Rex says a lot of crap and you can't take everything he says as truth. You then made my point for me.
1. I wouldn't say Hill hadn't done anything. GT had a total of 64 receptions for their entire offense. Hill had 29 of those. That's nearly half of their total passing offense. He blocks, is used to playing in a run heavy scheme & even contributed to some option based gadget plays. He demonstrated the ability to attack the football & obviously the ability to be a vertical threat. When you look at fit..he is perfect for what the Jets need. As for his workout, that certainly played a part. But we're not just talking about any workout. This guy put up extremely rare height/speed/explosion type numbers. You just don't see guys with that size have LEGIT 4.3 type speed. Now does he have work to do as a route runner? Sure. But that's what the draft is all about. It's not about plug & play. It's about taking guys w/ raw skills who fit your system & developing them into contributors. In terms of raw skills & system fit..Hill is perfect. 2. Does rex really strike you as the type of guy who falls in love with a player based off of one workout? Rex only attended 4 pro days this year. Don't you think he watched film on numerous players & pinpointed players he thought fit to rule out any outstanding issues via the workout? Have you watched any of Coples tape? Did you see him at the Senior bowl? he was unblockable in 1 on 1's. For a guy who lacks motivation he still managed to put up 7.5 sacks & 15.5 tackles for loss as an interior defensive player playing out of position. If anything the workout was Rex's chance to take a look at Coples Motor. Rex definitely knows how to judge a player's motor that's for sure. Are you really suggesting Coples is a workout warrior? Cause if that's wat you're suggesting you sound really silly. 3. Why is it "make or break" for the Jets this year? They have a young QB, Several impact players locked up long term still in their prime, & will soon have some dead money coming off the books? they went 8-8 this past year.Not 4-12. Woody has said over & over again that he wants stability at the top. The only people who say it's a make or break year are the media who want to create controversy or haters like you, who deep down are scared of Rex Ryan & desperately want him to get canned before he gets the personnel he needs to create his dominant defense.
Yea but wasn't it obvious Wilson wasn't going to start? I think this is a totally different situation.
Agreed but an ageing and slow front 7 creates needs just as a lack of a productive RT creates needs. Needs were addressed and I'm guessing we drafted those needs with the highest rated player on our board. In the case of Hill we thought there was so much value we traded up to address the value that also fit a need. I don't see any real problem with our draft philosophy. On paper it looks like we did address both need and balanced it with value as management percieved it. How that pans out will depend on there evaluation and ability to develop the talent. I think complaining about the philosophy here is overblown.
You are way too quick to jump to conclusion. Hill is not going to be an immediate impact player. WRs rarely become impact players in their rookie season. 25 catches 400+ yards wouldn't exactly be called impact player. That's the expectation I have for Hill. I would be glad to see him become impact, but the probability is very low. And to call this draft the best since 65 is beyond unreasonable. I like all of our pucks, but this board is over reacting over 6th and 7th round players' 5-play highlight reel.
That is exactly what I'm saying. Did you see Rex talking about when he was in person watching Coples workout? He was sold. He sees size, speed and ability and it overcomes him. That's why the Jets traded up for Sanchez, traded up for Greene, and drafted guys like Kendrick Ellis, Vladimir Ducasse, Quinton Coples, and Stephen Hill. Rex sees potential and can't help himself. I think if this year goes poorly, Rex will probably have just one more chance. This is certainly a big year for the Jets, and especially Sanchez. Guys like Ferguson and Mangold are locked in on offense and still capable all stars. David Harris and Revis for the defense. But much of the defense is hanging on by a thread. Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace are shells of what they once were. There are no safeties. Bart Scott played terrible last year compared to what he's done in the past. He's over the hill as well. Pouha is in his mid 30's. On offense, it is put up or shut up time for Sanchez. Same with Greene (is he going to be the back everyone things he can be?). Is Santonio Holmes going to grow up and stop being a jackass? Is Dustin Keller going to rebound? There are so many questions that will be answered this year, either positively or negatively. This year is certainly important and crucial for the franchise, and there's really no arguing that.
He wasn't as bad as you make it sound. Weird that u called it special olympics. Isn't that normal for you?
my big thing is, why take hill in round 2 when you can draft say, tommy streeter in the 6th or 7th round and address a much bigger need at #43? especially if all you are looking for is some blocking and someone to take the top off defenses?
Oh, I agree with you in general. Imo those who are criticizing the overall draft for not filling all the holes are not taking into account that there were too many holes to fill in one draft. I would also add that trading the fourth pick away for Tebow did not help the draft itself, but that and the decision behind it were not really something that can be blamed on the draft itself.
the OLINE wasnt addressed because we are preparing to run the option O with Tebow.....Hunter and my boy Vladamir will do fine. ground and pound 50x/game. everytime RR says "mark is our starting QB" he is only refering to the 1st game of the season.
Because we need an outside WR who can get down the field and we don't have the cash to pick up a top WR in FA. We have to develop one and they like this kid. They think they can develop him into a top NFL WR with size and speed. They don't grow on trees.
