If you look at the offense: QB - no better now than it was 2 - 3 years ago WR - much worse TE - not improved at all RB - much worse OL - worse DL - about the same (with potential) LB - worse CB - a bit better (well, it would be if Revis wasn't out for the season, as it is, much worse) S - about the same HC - not improved OC - not improved at all, possibly even got worse DC - not improved Special teams - seems to have completely fallen apart Almost no aspect of the team has improved over where we were 2 to 3 years ago. That is 100% on the owner/GM.
Everyone says Tannenbaum is just a numbers guy . Well its true to an extent. If he was just a numbers guy then why is our cap situation a joke. We have no money and no talent. Tannenbum got us in this mess more then anyone else .He should be locked out of his office and have security escort him out of the building. They shouldn't even give him his personal possesions in his office or his next paycheck, they need to forget he exists.We need a ex football coach or player to be our GM
I went through this a few weeks ago but I'm absolutely buying what you are selling. Tannenbuam took over as GM in 2006 so let's evaulate every single player he has drafted and the moves that were made in those drafts. I'll leave Free Agents off the list for now. 2006 1st round pick #4 - Brick, hard to argue with this pick. The guy was a pro bowler and while he seems to be struggling it probably has to do with the fact that the guy next to him isn't very good. 1st round pick #29 - Mangold, again, tough to argue with this pick. An elite center and the most important player on offense. We saw how bad this team was when he was out of the lineup. We did trade John Abraham to Atlanta for this pick but let's be honest, while we haven't had a pass rusher since 2006 Abe was disgruntled and we had to move him. 2nd round pick #49 - Kellen Clemmons... terrible pick. Guy could not play and Tanny missed big time on this pick. 3rd round pick #76 - Anthony Schlegel - another terrible pick 3rd round pick # 97 (comp pick) Eric Smith - somehow still on the roster but was he worthy of a 3rd round pick? Probably a bit of a reach. 4th round pick #103 - Brad Smith, A solid pick, helped us in special teams, wildcat and passing game. We let him walk and for the $$$ Buffalo gave him it was a good move. 4th round pick# 117 - Leon Washington, hindsight is 20/20 but this is a guy we should have held on to. He wasn't a great RB but what he brought in ST was a pro bowl player. We traded him to Seattle and what we ended up taking in the draft was another waste. 5th round pick# 150 - Jason Pociask - Garbage... need not say anymore 6th round pick # 189 - Drew Coleman, the guy caught a lot of heat but he was a solid #4 CB and honestly I'd rather have him then Lankster. He made some big plays and he was a good slot CB. Probably another guy we should have held on 7th round pick # 220 - Titus Adams , did he even make the practice squad? Not a horrible draft but missing big on Clemmons and Schlegel really hurt, notable players drafted after Clemmons that we could have used... Greg Jennings, Devin Hester, MJD. There weren't any standout players drafted after Schlegel before Smith but some solid contributors. 2007 1st round pick # 14 - Revis...obviously the best pick of the Tenny era. Probably the best player we're had in this team in the last 10-15 years. 2nd round pick# David Harris, overrated by Jet fans. A good player but no where near elite as some Jet fans believe. Has really lost a step this year as well. No 3, 4, or 5th picks 6th round pick# 177 - Jacob Bender, another lets wait until the end of the year to address the OL picks. Did he ever take the field for us? 7th round pick# 235 - Chansi Stuckey, not the worst pick in the world. Had some big plays but not consistent enough. Was dealt in the Sanchez deal. Outside of Revis and Harris this was an absolutely awful draft. Revis obvisouly is an A+ and Harris a solid B the rest of the draft is an F. 2008 (maybe the worst of the bunch) 1st round pick#6 - Vernon Gholston, maybe the worst draft pick in team history. At least others busts like Blair Thomas, Johnny Mitchell, Johnny Lam Jones and Roger Vick could get on the field. 1st round pick# 30 - Dustin Keller, solid contributor and Sanchez's #1 target. I wonder if he'll be back next year and our entire draft class from 2008 will no longer be with the team. No 2nd or 3rd round picks 4th round pick# 113 - Dwight Lowery, like Drew Coleman and Eric Smith a decent player but nothing special. Made some big plays and another ? as to why he is no longer with the team. 5th round pick# 162 - Erik Ainge another garbage pick 6th round pick# 171 - Marcus Henry... who? 7th round pick # 211 - Nate Garner ....seriously? Who? Clearly the worst draft that Tanny conducted. 2 players worth a shit and one of those two not even with the team anymore. 2009 1st round pick# 5 - Sanchez, looking every week like a bust. Has shown good signs but has regressed significantly since the mid point of last season. No 2nd round pick 3rd round pick #65 - Shonn Greene - Like Sanchez has shown flashes but is inconsistent at times, will give him credit as he has cut down on the fumbles and seems to be better later in the season. Is very tough but not what Jet fans were hoping for. No 4th or 5th round pick 6th round pick # 193 -Matt Slausen, a starter but probably wouldn't start on most teams. I would say has played better then his draft position. 7th round - no pick 2010 1st round pick # 29 - Kyle Wilson, another high draft pick who just has not lived up to expectations. The mantra of Tanny 2nd round pick # 61 - Vlad Ducasse, this is the exact type of pick that got us into trouble. Tanny thought we had enough depth, enough playmakers and a quality OL to waste a pick on a project in the 2nd round. The only reason this guy is even in the NFL is because he was picked that high. No 3rd round pick 4th round pick # 112 - Joe McKnight , a good ST player but doesn't really give us an edge anyplace else. 5th round pick #139 - John Connor - Has been terminated, another all hype no substance player No 6th or 7th I give this draft a D, Wilson is only starting out of need 2011/2012 I can't really comment on guys still on the team as it is still too early but we do know Wilkerson and Kerley look like solid players and Wilkerson looks like he could be elite. 2011 is really looking like it could be Tanny's best job We threw Scotty McKnight a bone and he didn't last but we found some decent players and most of that draft is still on the roster. Now 2012 we cut half the draft so obviously our talent scouts didn't do enough if half those guys couldn't make this team. I'll leave out 2012 because it's earlt to tell on a lot of these guys
I thought about the Jets for a second when Woodhead was making one of 3 or so drive saving or scoring plays against my team last week. Anyway Woodhead is a a baller. I remember Rex liked him, kept McKnight instead I think...
Poor drafting and trading picks away for aging players. Also, giving fat contracts to players who don't deserve them.
And then you look at last years draft 1st round=We take Quienton Coples who was a decent pick i guess it's to early to tell what he will be. Second round- We traded up to get Hill who caught 5 passes in college??Hill looks like a undrafted free agent at this point. I don't understand why we took him so high.Hill will never amount to shit on this offense Who gives a shit about the rest of the rounds it was a garbage draft to begin with. Im so sick of this team, I wish i wasn't a fan but it's like breaking up with a girl that you love and you know no matter what you do or say u will always love her even though it doesn't make sense anymore, that sums up being a Jet fan
The biggest problem is the trades... Every year it seems like the Jets are trading away their 3-5th round picks. You might not find star players there but you find your role players, your depth, you build your team there. Not that Edwards, Favre etc... didn't help this team but when they are gone and you have nothing to show for it that hurts. OUtside of that 1st year we have missed on almost every player taken in the mid to late round. We got contributors in McKnight, Coleman, Slausen Lowery and missed on pretty much everything else. You're not going to win many games when you miss a ton more then you hit.
This is truly sad... And I would like to add that a lot of the good picks under Tanny were also under Mangini and you have to think/wonder if it was because of Mangini. We hit on Mangold and Revis no question. Brick is a little overrated at this point and has not lived up to his paycheck/probowl reputation lately, but like you said it could be because of Slauson. Then you have Keller and Harris- two average players, and thats basically it from 2006-2010. [like you said Sanchez looks like a bust and Greene is in the bottom fifth in starting RBs in the league, and that being generous] Only 5 players that would start on other NFL teams. Thats just downright awful. Lets look at some quality franchises to see their drafts in respect with ours (Im going to only name players who I think would start or are starting on other NFL teams)- Giants- Mathias Kiwanuka, Bradshaw, Kenny Phillips, Terrell Thomas, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, JPP, Cruz as UDFA... 8 49ers- Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Parys Harylson, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Ray McDonald, Dashon Golston, Michael Crabtree, Anthony Davis, Mike Upati, Navarro Bowman...11 Packers- AJ Hawk, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Desmond Bishop, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley, Josh Sitton, BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, Bryan Bulaga...10 Steelers- Santonio Holmes, Lawrence Timons, Lamar Woodley, Reshard Mendenhall, Mike Wallace, Pouncey, Antonio Brown...7 Ravens- Haloti Ngata, Dawan Landry, Ben Grubbs, Marshall Yanda, Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, Michael Oher, Ladarius Webb, Terrance Cody, Dennis Pitta...10 Pats- Jerod Mayo, BJGE as UDFA, Patrick Chung, Sebastian Volmer, Rob Gronkowski, Brandon Spikes, Aaron Hernandez...7 So yeah, they had a good deal more than us to say the least. Also something notable is that these teams also acquired a lot of solid players who play a good deal of time and provide great depth that I just didnt feel that fit into the category of good-great players in the NFL. Also, something very obvious is that the Jets had significantly fewer picks than these teams and the Jets didnt hit at all on players outside of round 2.
It is very simple, and it all boils down to poor drafting in 2009 and 2010. If Sanchez, Greene, Wilson and Ducasse would have worked out this team is actually quite strong and FO could have focused on other issues. Tebow would never have been here had Sanchez been a top-10 QB by now We would have a running game with Ducasse and Greene Cromartie or even Revis could have been replaced by Wilson releasing resources for RT, WR or other needs I am sure both Rex and Tanny know they are smoked as these problems cannot be rectified easily, it will take 2-3 yrs of confidence from the owner.
I think 2008 is really where the wheels fell off, missed isn't even the word I would use on Gholston. That pick alone set the franchise back a year or 2. Then we trade up to draft Keller who is a decent player but certainly not a guy who has lived up to trading back into the 1st round for. Then we have no picks in the 2nd or 3rd round. Lowery was a decent player probably about what you would have hoped out of a 4th round pick but we let him go. After that we got nothing. That entire draft was a nightmare. When you want to wonder why we suck look no further then the 2008 draft.
I can help answer that. We're better than the Bills. We can't even be good at chasing the first overall pick.
Dick Haley once told me (yes the one that worked for this team) that u become a winning team by drafting well in round 1.......and u compete for a Super Bowl by drafting well in rounds 2 thru 4.
Personally I don't knock the '07 draft because many teams (including the Jets in many years) would kill to have two players as good as Revis and Harris in one draft. Plus not having mid-round picks is much, much better than picking bad players.
And this kind of explains why the Jets aren't a serious contender for a Super Bowl now. For all of their flaws the Jets of the mid 90's found good players early in the draft, they just were horribly coached. Then Bill Parcells came in and found a use for all that talent in addition to adding his own guys. 1993: 1st Marvin Jones 1994: 1st Aaron Glenn 1995: 1st Hugh Douglas 1996: 1st Keyshawn Johnson So Parcells was handed 4 quality starters out of the 1st round of the preceding 4 drafts when he came in. Now look at the Jets the last 4 years: 2008: 1st Vernon Gholston, Dustin Keller 2009: 1st Mark Sanchez 2010: 1st Kyle Wilson 2011: 1st Mo Wilkerson The value in the sequence is probably like this: 1995: Hugh Douglas 1994: Aaron Glenn 1996: Keyshawn Johnson 2011: Mo Wilkerson 1993: Marvin Jones 2008: Dustin Keller 2009: Mark Sanchez 2010: Kyle Wilson 2008: Vernon Gholston That's a primary reason the Jets are so screwed up right now. They found one superior player in the draft in the 4 years leading up to 2012. That'll just kill you over time.
Forbes put out a report this year ranking the 32 NFL teams drafting ability since 2000. There were alot of different factors used but believe it or not the Jets finished 2nd only behind the Packers. They have one of the larger scouting department's in the NFL & despite popular belief Terry Bradway is a highly respected evaluator league wide. With all of that said...the Jets clearly have their faults when it comes to building a team. For one...I think this "quality over quantity" thing should be on a year by year basis & not an overall philosophy. Why bother paying all those scouts if you only wanna target people in rounds 1 or 2? Biggest issue w/ the jets is finding IMPACT talent. They seem to target alot of "Can't miss" types(w/ the exception of Gholston) & can never seem to cash in on franchise changing type players...specifically at the offensive skill positions. For 10 years now it has seemed like the goal on offense has been to avoid turnovers & weather the storm. That Marty ball philosophy is dead. You need to be aggressive & score points. The only way to do that is w. superior offensive skill players. Jets severely lack that right now.
A big part of the Forbes talent evaluation process had to do with games started at various positions. The Jets got a big boost because Mark Sanchez had started 47 games for them from 2009 to 2011. And it wasn't from 2000 to 2011. The drafts they covered were from 2005 to 2009.
I think the real question we need to ask ourselves here is, will Woody Johnson learn from this experience? 2 seasons in a row this has blown up in his face. Or will he just not give a fuck and just continue to act like this idiot that actually knows football?
