I made a similar thread, and I agree with you. I'm not against obtaining a QB or WR, its just I don't see anyone worth getting, and it doesn't seem the jets do either. They could have made a run at Warner, they could of signed Garcia, or grabbed Holt, Harrison or TO, they didn't do these things. I wouldn't mind Cutler, but he is very improbable, as we have nothing to offer them, I kinda of hate Cutlers face, its something about Denver QB's that I hate, especially that Cutler is a little bitch, I hated Jake Plummer and John Elway, I just hated their faces, I couldn't stand them for some reason I don't even know why. We also need another RB if we want to be run first, we should of went for Derrick Ward, but again we didn't. Anyway whatever we do in the draft, we are just going to have to see these guys start anyway, so I see no use arguing about it anymore. The FO wants to see what these guys got and that's whats going to happen. Seeing as they haven't done anything to bring in anyone to fill these "needs" thus far.
Is 17/20 so much better than 3/5 that we need to hock our future for that sterling record? People are in love with Cutler because he isn't here. If we had drafted him when we had a chance, his record would be very little different from Clement's and people would be hollering for us get someone in to QB. He seems also to be a bit of a shmuck, just what we need. Clements never really had a chance, and if he gets one, I think he'll end up as good as Cutler, and a better teammate to boot. And if he doesn't work out Ratliff might very well. I'm all for standing pat with what we have.
They had no chance at Warner. Nobody did but Arizona. I'm pretty sure we will see another QB come in. I don't know if it will be in the draft or through a trade. It won't be Garcia or Leftwich (is he still alive?) or any other FA out there. They have one year to sell those PSLs and the economy won't be helping them out anywhere along the way.
Clemens had 10 chances in '07, and all he came up with was 5 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Maybe Clemens is capable of more, but so far, he's shown us NO reason to believe so. I honestly don't think he can ever match what Cutler did in the last 2 seasons (8,000 yards and 45 tds).
Far Too Sensible A Post... Voices of reason are badly appreciated these days. No one really trusts process. They much rather deal from a deck of Football Fantasy Cards. Ah, deliberation...!:beer:
In 07 Clemens was sacked once every 9 times he dropped back to pass. In 08 Cutler was sacked once every 56 times he dropped back to pass. You can attribute some of that to pocket presence or quicker release but the pressure that was put on Clemens by the D makes it kind of hard to measure them up.
The O-Line was definitely crap, but no one seems to care that Clemens didn't help things by holding on to the ball all day, dancing around the pocket unnecessarily, and throwing dumb passes when he actually did have time to work. Good QBs in bad situations at least show some positives. I can't remember Clemens doing anything that makes me dying to give him another chance. I'm not saying he's got no shot at all (crazier shit has happened), but going by what we saw in '07, I'd much much much rather take our chances with Cutler. Thanks. The game is my latest unhealthy addiction. =)
Clemens never improved at reading the defense. That was his down fall. He had an open competition with Chad, one that the FO/CS was dying for him to win, and he couldn't. That speaks louder then anything.
Because it is the offseason, and everyone is positioning themselves to be the one to say "I told you so!!!!"
Cutler > Clemens, Ratliff, Ainge. That said, don't sell the farm for the guy. Denver is under the gun here, not the Jets. I feel the longer this Cutler/ Denver situation lingers, the worse it will become. If Cutler becomes enough of a malcontent, the price will come down. Cutler played for a team with no defense and tons of injuries to his running game. At the end of the 2007 season he was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes which weakened him near the end of the 2007 season. His play was the highlight of their season in 2008. With a good defense, strong running game and his talent, the Jets would be some force to be reckoned with. Rex is looking for guys with chips on their shoulders. Scott sure has one. Cutler has one. Why not make him our pain in the ass and piss off the rest of the league?
If a player like Cutler is available you have to it least look into it. I'm not against seeing what we have but guys like Cutler are not available very often. It's easy to say lets see what we have at QB in March but what if what we have at the QB posistion is crap?. I'm not saying it will be but the Jets dont seem to be high on Clemens and Ratliff was an undrafted Free Agent. Cutler was the 11th pick of the draft and has got off to a very good start in his NFL career. He has a big arm and we know he can play the posistion and the Jets wouldnt have to worry about the posistion for the next 10 years. I dont think the Jets will get him but they have to look into it.
I've never quoted myself before but there's a first for everything. I wanted to follow up on this. In 2001 the Colts had the 29th ranked defense with a 25 year old Peyton Manning in his 4th year as a starter. Coincidentally they also had the 2nd ranked offense. There record was 6-10.
I would imagine a decent part of the D's ineptitude was due to the type of offense being run. Those quick strike offenses are murder on a D's stamina.
I know he's only 25, but Cutler still hasn't proven a damn thing yet except show he's got a strong arm, fair pocket mobility and can make some good throws at times. We'd have to give up valuable players and draft picks for a terribly inconsistent player who has been given everything he needs to succeed in pass-happy offense and so far has come up short. Sorry but I like our prospects with Clemens/Ratliff just fine. Plus Clemens actually acts like an adult. holy crap..
He hasn't proven a damn thing? From an article posted in another thread: » He guided the second-ranked offense in the NFL. » He was No. 1 in fewest percentage of sacks, with 11 in 627 pass plays. That equates to one sack every 57 pass attempts. » He was No. 3 in the NFL in third-down efficiency, the "money" down. The average NFL team converted 39.5 percent of its third downs; Cutler converted 47.5 percent. » He was No. 3 in the AFC in yards per pass play (7.3). » He threw for more yards than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers, Tony Romo and Ben Roethlisberger, to name a few. » He had just two 100-yard rushing days from a running back all season: Peyton Hillis (129 against the Jets) and Michael Pittman (109 against the Jacksonville Jaguars). » He had eight games of 300-plus passing yards (five of those at 350 or more), connecting for 15 touchdowns in those contests. » Sure, he threw 18 interceptions, which is unacceptable, but his ratio of picks to attempts was 1:34, which tells a slightly different story. Last season, Brees had an interception every 37 pass attempts. Favre's ratio was 1:23, and Roethlisberger's was 1:31. Cutler's career ratio is 1:33. » Only Jacksonville's David Garrard threw more passes in the fourth quarter of games than Cutler, who completed 100 of 167 passes for 1,212 yards and 11 touchdowns with just four interceptions. He's proven he can shred NFL defenses and get it done in crunch time (3rd down, 4th quarter). The no playoffs argument is stupid - look at how horrible his defense was.
None of that proves to me he is a great QB. He played on one of the best offenses in the league last year and he's a good player so of course he's going to get good numbers. He has good mobility and throws the ball away to prevent sacks, but at the same time, he was also standing behind one of the best lines in league. To me numbers aren't as important as what you see a player do and accomplish and there are plenty of times he looked like crap out there.. for no apparent reason at all. So no, he hasn't proven a damn thing. Maybe he'll be a great QB one day, but right now he has a lot of room for improvement.
You're biased for some reason. I'm guessing the Clemens avatar has something to do with it. You don't just "get good numbers" by being in a great offense and "making some good throws at times". It's a team game so of course you have to have good players surrounding you. No great QB has ever done it alone. Let's see how great that offense is without him. You originally said he had "fair mobility", but quickly changed to "good mobility". You originally said he hasn't proven anything, and now you say he's good but not great. So hasn't he at least proven he's good? Sure there's room for improvement but he's already one of the best QB's in the league (top 10 easy). Give him a consistent running game and a defense and watch what happens.
Idk man I'd really like us to start saving picks especially knowning how well Ryan selects and develops young players. Although Im a huge Cutler trade fan its not happening lets finally stick to our own plan the first time In about 40 years
