yes. let's give our rookie QB one chance to prove himself behind a new OL during a rebuilding year. and if he doesn't perform, then we need to spend a top pick drafting another QB who we should then give one season to perform; and if Quinn doesn't perform then the following year we'll draft the best QB again. and so on and so forth. jeez, thank goodness you're not our GM. cheers
\ Early in camp I thought giving Clemens the job and letting him learn was the right idea. Now it's become apparent that there are still huge questions on offense beyond the QB itself. I'd rather let one of the journeymen stand back there at the moment until things get straightened out. Chad is not going to last more than a few games is my guess. He's still fragile and his throws have no zip at all on them. He looks very similar to how he looked heading into last season, although not quite as weak-armed. Ramsey is a disaster. This guy just did not make the transition from a very successful college career to the pros. His footwork is terrible, his reads are only average at best and his arm can't rescue him from those facts. Ramsey should be cut based on what we've see so far. That leaves Bollinger. He's not a very good QB but he has some experience in surviving behind a porous line and he probably gives us our best chance to not go through the injured QB rotation like we did last year. Come November things will have settled down a little and the offensive line will have gotten some grounding. At that point bringing in Clemens for some experience may well be the best option, but right now he's #4 to start the season in my book. Not because he his talent isn't there but his teammates need a bit of time to get things settled and there's no point in wasting his first NFL opportunity on a lost cause.
QB's Four quarterbacks: Pennington: Fan favorite, "franchise QB" Clemens: The Rookie, "Future QB" Bollinger: Best preseason skill set Ramsey: Most likely to succeed in the near future Two QB's in the should keep category. Two QB's in the most likely to win category. A poll somewhere else asked who should start, Pennington and Ramsey almost tied with Chad a tiny bit ahead. Bollinger a distant third. "Other", even a more distant fourth. Glad I'm not Schot. or Mangini.......... But, I would prefer the "win" type of thing.
I like Kellen Clemens he showed a lot of promise and that he can probably handle the QB job in preseason. If he showed Mangini that he can be the starter then he should start.
Strange thing is, KC is still in the hunt to start for the Jets.. I'm not so sure what Mangini is waiting to see but he damn sure better see it soon. There's only 2 weeks before the real season begins and we still don't have a starting QB. Must be some "secret plan" Tangini mapped out before the start of TC..
I'd like to know how the first poster claims that this "team isn't suited for dink and dunk passing game." I'd like to know how you figure that. We have no game breaking receiver, runningback or tightend. We have a shaky offensive line that has barely played together, and two quarterbacks with limited experience, one rookie and one coming off two major shoulder surgeries. So now tell me how we are going to incorporate a downfield passing attack without any of the following? Cotchery and Coles are both possesion receivers, and we have a couple of backs who are better receiver backs then runningbacks. Most of the great offenses start with a dink and dunk offense. Manning barely threw a pass over 5 yards it seemed his rookie season. McNabb is all about dink and dunk then move the chains when needed. Philly has thrived with a solid line and good pass catching backs to move the chains along with McNabb who makes the right play at the right time. Throwing 25 yard outs on every play doesn't work. We need to stick to our strengths which is the short passing game and giving the defense a lot of different offensive looks to confuse them with a variety of backs which each have their own running style.
He's 21-16 as a starter with 2 playoff wins. He actually has better numbers than Culpepper, and Culpepper didn't play hurt. Are we laughing our asses off with Culpepper as Miami's starter??????
I don't think you learn as much sitting as you do playing, and a year is too long. I say you bring him along after half a season at the latest.
How many HOF QBs inducted in the last five years did not start in their first season? Manning who will be in the HOF only won 3 games his first year and Aikman went 0-15 his first year. Sure Clemens will have it rough but it will pay dividends next year. The key to success is facing challenges early and often. Look at the best QBs and you will see the same fact, they started at some point in their rookie year. Some from game one and some by the end of the season. Sure some young QBs can't handle the pressure or get killed but letting a QB set on the bench for a while actually has less of a chance of producing a winning QB. Please don't say but look at Chad, because I'm tired of looking at his brokendown ars. Is the fact that Rivers set behind Brees for two years going to make him better than Eli Manning who got to start in his rookie year? Due to field exsperience Eli is so far ahead of Rivers. There isn't any of you that could honestly say Rivers is a better QB than Eli. Clemens could be the next Brady but we won't know until he is in a meaningful game. There isn't any defense that is scared of Chad and they will stack 7 or 8 in the box every play. No RB is going to be able to succeed in that kind of environment. For good or bad start Clemens!
No secret plan that I can see. The facts are that nobody has won the job cleanly yet. Chad is the frontrunner but that has very little to do with his actual performance in camp and everything to do with the fact that he is the only Qb in camp who has ever lead an NFL team successfully. Chad's performance so far has actually been a lot shakier than any NFL head coach would like to see out of his starter. The problem is that Ramsey has been worse than Chad and Clemens is a rookie that you don't want scarred for life if the Jets come out of the gate poorly and Bollinger is just a journeyman backup QB at best. So what do you do in that situation? You hold off until the last possible moment and then you make a choice that you hope you can live with through a potential 2-6 start. It's not pleasant to be Eric Mangini right now. His erstwhile starting QB has no zip on the ball at all and everybody else is an even bigger question mark. Personally I think the Jets should have cut Chad last spring. The choices would not be better but most of the pressure on the coach would have been removed.
Chad is leftover bagage Mangini has to handle with soft hands, Clemens is Mangini's guy he really wants to start.
That's the problem, he's GOING to get killed out there. You and everyone else in this thread know our O-line personnel, and our depth players. None of them are impressive from a professional standpoint, except for maybe Kendall on his goods days, but I can actually watch Pete lose a step as he pulls for an outside run. The rookies are just that - rookies - and their inexperience is going to be exploited by any coach worth a shit. Adrain Jones might as well be playing in Canada, Moore is not consistent in any fashion, and Clement is not much of a tackle. We're going to give up a lot of sacks this year. I'd rather we had someone who can rack up the QB power points in the short game during a fragile period like this. Making short passes completes a play and gives confidence to a lineman as young as Brick or Mangold. We will always be able to bring in Clemens or Ramsey or *giggle* Bollinger situationally.
How many that started in their rookie season had a rookie blocking their blindside and a rookie calling signals?
Remember this Clemens has the mental toughness but this isn't even a 'glimmer playoff' team. The WR's and RB's are really sub-par compared to the other teams in the AFC East. Points will be hard to come by and the defense will have to carry the day to stay in any game. If he starts, KC will get the crap beaten out of him because he'll be learning hot reads and D decoys and all the nuances that even top caliber college D1 don't deal with. Go 5-11 this year with KC and I'd call the season a success. If the press and fans start making it sound like the wheels are coming off after a couple of lopsided losses and start calling for BB, PR or Penny then you might as well buy the boardgame "Jump to Conclusions." Being from the Northwest and loathing anything Seattle like you all despise the Bosox, I follow my 'boys' and KC is one of them. My feeling is to let him get at least a couple of games with the clipboard and ride Penny while the weather is good. Once the seasons turn, and the weather gets tough and throws need to real juice, then hand it to the kid who is used to getting thrown to the frozen ground by a far bigger bronco than the Rat's Coor's Patrol.
This could easily be how it turns out in the end. I doubt Chad can stay on the field behind that line once the games become real. He's going to get hit hard and repeatedly and his history is really bad in terms of dealing with that type of environment.
I'll save who I thnk should be the starter for later but 1st I want to respond to the poster that made the post about all of the HOF QB's that started their 1st year. 2 points to counter your argument 1st Look at the garbage that did start their rookie year: Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Chris Weinke, JP Losman, Tim Couch, Kyle Boller, Drew Henson, I'll even put David Carr on this list Now look at all the QB's that have recently led their teams to the playoffs after sitting for a year: Chris Simms, Jake Plummer (with the Cardinals of all teams) Brett Favre, Matt Hassleback, Jake Delhomme, Byron Leftwich, Aaron Brooks, Mark Bulger, Carson Palmer (although the knee injury set him back might be on his way to becoming the best QB in football), Pennington is on this list too, Phillip Rivers will be on this list at the end of the year. I could be mistaking but Culpepper I believe sat a year behind Brad Johnson. All his says is that there is no right way to do this but I would be against throwing Clemens in the fire because traditionally Oregon QBs have not fared well when being thrown into the fire because of the system they run. BY the way they run the same system at Cal which explains Boller. Clemens will need a year to learn an NFL system which is what I think they will do. So I take KC off the potential starter list Ramsey I felt was a product of the system at Tulane ie Shawn King , JP Losman. He got screwed up with Spurrier's whacky system and Joe Gibbs is in a win now approach which explains Mark Brunell being the QB and not Jason Campbell. I think he is still recovering from the Steve Spurrier nightmare and my thinking is he will never quite live up to his potential , put this guy in the failure category and I think he will get cut. Brooks is an underdog in all aspects, he is from North Dakota not a real hotbed of NFL talent but he managed to start and win a Rose Bowl. He is mobile and accurate but he has no deep ball and no zip , basically a poor mans CP. He is gutsy though and is tough little SOB. He stood right in the fire and even in a lost season and some terrible coaching down the stretch he won a game against a division rival. The problem is he is just isn't quite good enough to be a starter in the NFL as much as we all are rooting for him. CP, he is the only proven winner on the team and the even though he is as tough as a 2 year old girl he is the only QB to win and make the playoffs. He is the leader of the offense and the face of the franchise although I don't think Mangini cares about an identity yet. With 2 rookies starting on the OL and possible a 2nd year back he will get the nod. Throw in his relationship with Coles on and off the field and we are looking at our starter. QB Depth chart Chad Starter Brooks #2 Clemens #3 emergency Ramsey cut
Clemens is far better of a QB than Orton and he started last year and held the team together for much of the year. Clemens to start!
They could have put anyone at QB. Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Glenn Foley, Vinny Testaverde, Joe Namath, Ken O'Brien, Al Dorow, Pat Ryan, Red Grange, and Kyle Orton all would have done equally well. Orton was absolutely terrible for them.
Amen. If he's going to make it, find out now before you waste 2-3 of him sitting on the bench to only find out he's not the guy.
