let's set the record straight: i was happy with last year's draft and it basically got us into the playoffs along with a healthy pennington. BUT,san diego's rookie left tackle(6'8" 335lbs) slamdunked his way to the pro bowl as a 2nd rounder taken after clemens. cutler has an amazing upside, can throw a 70 yard spiral sprinting to his left while being chased, no less. AND he starts for shanahan and that's good enough for me! mangold is unarguably a gem. like the thread title states hindsight is 20/20. i certainly would redraft in this order after reviewing the talent. ps. remember the 42 yard "bomb" to jmac that clemens threw last week? that made pennington's long passes look like namath's. he looks very shaky on a lot of his throws. i'm sorry but i grew up watching jet qb's that were able to throw the bomb at the very least...namath ,todd ,obrien.----since when was i supposed to be brainwashed into watching dink and dunk 'effin cerebral qb's????thats bs! i'm sorry but god forbid the jets are trailing in a playoff game by a couple of scores. fact:we aint catchin up 6 yards at a time...sorry. the formula for a pennington-run football team is simple: dink and dunk down the field, running game MUST work, defense has to limit opponent to 17 pts and no turnovers on offense. our qb limits the margin of error for the team. sorry, but give me a qb that can score in a hurry, because perfect football is hard to do in playoff game. as far a brick goes, he's no jonathan ogden, orlando pace or anthony munoz or our own beloved marvin powell sorry. but like i stated...hindsight is 20/20.
Not in game planning, but in personnel management, Mangini is as conservative as Herman Edwards. If Chad stinks up the joint, and he won't, he MIGHT lose his job but even that's a stretch. As long as Chad is merely decent, he'll be the starter this season come what may. Chad sat around, learned the system, then got his opportunity. I don't see Mangini as the type of person to take that leap of faith with Clemens unless he has absolutely no other choice. I agree with you on a drafted QB being game ready by his second season ideally. In this case, Clemens might be able to the job. Pennington on the other hand, is a known quantity limitations not withstanding. We know what we have in CP at QB. Chad's expiration date may well have come and gone several years ago. I don't see Chad here in '08 starting. Who has the bigger upside? Cutler, starting right now in Denver, or Clemens? I still think the Jets would have been better off with Cutler than Kellen but only time will tell.
Mangini made more lineup changes than Edwards. Right now I'm not willing to say he's conservative in personnel management. The only big personnel move a coach would have to make would be at the QB position. There was no way that was going to happen last year. Ramsey was not a viable option, Clemens was very raw, and Pennington played well for the most part. I would be very surprised if Pennington gives Mangini a reason to bench him and Mangini fails to do so in 2007.
i seriously doubt the pats thought they were hitting a home run when they drafted brady, never mind ending up with the best one in the league(wing and a prayer is more like it and it got answered,rare!!!). and the falcons?? maybe talking farve and they thought so much of him at the time, they traded him. now look at the dulphins/ marino 1st rd, pitt/roth 1st rd, sd/brees 1st rd,philly/mcnab 1st rd, sd/rivers 1st rd, bengals/palmer 1st rd. the first rd is for hitting home runs when it comes to a chance for a franchise qb. the other rds are more considered a wing and a prayer with one in maybe 20 actually working out.....
Cutler's gonna be about as good as the guy he replaced, which is to say better than average. The Jets had NO choice but to take Ferguson last year on the 4. He was projected to be the best offensive lineman and he was a left tackle, both crying needs for the Jets.
The 1st round is also the place for drafting David Carr, David Klingler, Andre Ware, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Rick Mirer, Tommy Maddox, Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Todd Blackledge, Marc Wilson, Mark Malone, Steve Pisarkiewicz, Jack Thompson, Rich Campbell, Kelly Stouffer, etc. Obviously, the Jets did not like Cutler, Young, and Leinart as much as they liked Ferguson. Maybe they felt there was no big difference between Cutler, Young, Leinart, and Clemens. I also happen to not feel there is a big difference. I have seen nothing yet to change my opinion.
I absolutely don't rate Cutler above Jake Plummer. They're both strong-armed QB's with some touch and both have had difficulty leading teams to wins despite those attributes. Don't get me wrong, I think Cutler is a good prospect but he'd be about 5th on my list of young QB's I'd take right now after Roethlisberger, Rivers, Young and Russell. He'd be in a little cloud of maybes with Leinart, Alex Smith and Schaub.
I have to agree that Cutler wasn't that good last year. I think what got people to think that he is good is that he had a few long completions (some for TDs) which are low percentages passes. Let's wait and see when some of those long throws are intercepted before we say that he is a great QB. Clemens was better that Cutler was last night when he didn't complete a long throw. Some of his passes were way off target, they were tipped at the line of scrimmage or hit the ground. This is the recap about his play last night: "When starters were going head-to-head, Dallas (2-0) flustered Denver quarterback Jay Cutler into going 7-of-13 for only 58 yards. He failed to convert all five third-down chances, leaving the Broncos (1-1) to settle for two short field goals after drives that started in Cowboys' territory following turnovers. Even Cutler's longest completion, a 21-yarder, was a fluke. Rookie linebacker Anthony Spencer, a defensive end in college, tipped it up and right to tight end Daniel Graham instead of swatting it down." The Broncos OL looked just as bad as the Jets OL. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AvQyrGPFPIxFRNtagFanFthDubYF?gid=20070818006&prov=ap
cutler played his teams way out of the playoffs(which is ok bc he is a rook)...and who knows how good he will or will not be last year they were better off with plummer...who did nothing but win games and go unappreciated plummer is hated bc of fantasy football and denver being spoiled....but he has a better rating and winning percentage than elway had in denver considering it took elway until his final two seasons with one of the best backs ever(b4 injury), a great Defense, the best TE ever, Rod smith, and ed mccaffrey....i think plummer deserved a break they got rid of plummers best back...that defense crumbled and rod smith is still the only good wr(until walker got there, but plummer was removed)....so what did they expect?...they knew the winning formula...and they are doing it for cutler now, but plummer went without 11 to 12 wins just isnt cutting it it took nearly a perfect team to get elway 2 in his final 2 years and they complain that plummer keeps losing to the colts...when all they have is champ first qb to ever beat the patriots in the playoffs by the way.... and the way it was lining up....the broncos could have played the pats again last year and the trade value of plummer with a 2-0 playoff record against the pats is slightly higher than a pissed off retired one
The problem with Plumber was that he threw too many interceptions. They were afraid to let him throw the ball because of it. Last year his QB rating was 68 with 11 TDs and 13 Ints. He was at his best when rolling out of the pocket and throwing on the run which put a lot of pressures on the defense. Defenses had to guard against him running to pick up yardage.
there are absolutely going to be 1st rd misses, can hit a home run if your looking for a walk!!! all i'm saying is, for a franchise to have a legitimate shot at a superbowl, the majority of the teams by far have their franchise qb. without one, it's rare to see a ravens type team appear from nowhere to pull it off. i don't know about most here on this forum, but to me, noodle arm is an average qb, not a franchise type. that being the case, it'll take a (ravens) hail mary and the jets are a long ways away from that kind of a defense....
the main things you are over looking is, cutler is playing against the first teams defense(big difference) while clemens is playing against second stringers also the offense's are playing vinilla schemes which makes it easier for clemens and harder for cutler... why it's easier for one and harder for the other?? clemens isn't likely ready to handle first team defense's and having to read said defense. where as cutler has already been doing so.
With all due respect these posts are silly, its not about the player, its about the system. You can't say on the Jets they would be good players. None ofthem are proven, maybe in 3 years when they have proved something your post may have some merit but as of now it has zero. We had a solid draft cause ESPN told me :breakdance:
Yeah, that is right. My point was that teams shouldn't draft QBs in the first round only because they might need one. They should draft them if they feel the QB is going to be very good. The Jets simply may not have thought Cutler, Young, or Leinart will be great QBs.
The fact is Clemens faced more pressure than Cutler. Sure he was going the second stringers but he was also playing with the second string Jet team which negates any advantage he would have going against the second string defense.We just have to wait and see what Cutler does this year before we know if he is a great QB.
